By Fightlinker on September 10, 2010
Oh Japan, you so crazy. I am still in awe that no one died.
… and that’s how you deal with wrestlers…
lol i miss it
WTF IS THIS HISTORIA POPUP THAT MADE ME FREAK OUT! IN FRENCH! DAMN YOU GOOGLE ADDS!
I dunno man, everyone seems to forget that wrestlers (with their massive legs) might learn this too. While they’re holding you down or keeping your base out from under you they would be able to stomp on your head. Imagine open guard?
Maybe too many people think of these rules as existing when roidtarded dipshits like Coleman were competing in Japan, but think about Bader or Davis doing this to you after a quick opening of your guard or a scramble.
I think BJJ players would suffer the most from this. At least boxers would cover their head instinctively.
i love head stomps!!! and DJ, it would be awesome to see anybody use it.
my single favorite moment ever from pride. at this time ninja was a beast. i thought he was gonna be a p4p guy. then he moved up and was never exactly the same. but he still rules. and matsui took it like a fucking man. chute boxe made an art of head stomps. but to this day the best one ever is still babalu vs kohler.
YAY, boot that fcking face, god damn i love violence.
Just joking but not really. It would be something to see soccor kicks in the UFC just to see if it does something to Jon Fitch or GSP. I like GSP too, but common.
I’m glad that this isn’t legal in the US. It’s barbaric and quite frankly not as exciting as a GOOD standup battle or grappling match.
So far as all the wrestling hate lately, doesn’t anyone think that the answer to wrestling is an aggressive guard? I mean, Silva-Sonnen JUST HAPPENED.
seeing as how most wreslers drill sub defense like a motherfucker i would rather learn how to negate the takedown or sweep than stay on my back trying to get a triangle that’s just not going to happen.
hell if you can get your sweeps down to where you can get off your back in under 30 seconds they might not even count the takedowns against you. But this closed guard shoulders on the mat nonsense needs to end.
and as mentioned before soccer kicks and head stomps will mainly fuck up bjj guys, guard players in particular. any decent wrestler will just scramble for a single leg which will be easy to get if you are standing on one leg/kicking.
some guys would get fucked up, but not as many as we would assume
at the end of the day soccer kicks, head stomps and knees to the head are just too brutal imo, i can only imagine the horror of a casual fan seeing a man being stomped unconscious. they would make standing ko’s look benign.
Well, what about pins, then? It would certainly put a stop to the “closed guard shoulders on the mat nonsense ,” right? I honestly mean this, and I think it would absolutely force guys to learn TDD or whatever to counter it
Also, these are some of the most technical killshots I’ve ever seen.
i find it moderately ironic that what people laud in japan is considered borderline criminal in the states
also suggesting pinfalls in mma is the dumbest thing i have ever heard anyone say….about anything….ever
I always liked the inclusion of stomps, but after seeing the Mike Kyle vs Olsen fight, I agree its too brutal. Something goes wrong and someone could get seriously hurt or even killed.
It’s no less retarded then ending a fight by twisting a guy’s arm, to be honest
Stomping a guy in the face is a lot different than twisting his arm, especially when you are talking about the potential for long term injury of even death.
In terms of this “stopping wrestlers”, umm… isn’t the problem that wreslters aren’t in a vulnerable position like that? How exactly do you kick him in the head when he’s lying on top of you?
I got hooked on MMA from watching Pride fights. Wand and Shogun were my favorite fighters. I thought for sure that the elimination of soccer kicks and head stomps would adversely affect their success fighting in the UFC. After the end of Pride, I missed the good ol’ days of head stomps and soccer kicks. Now when I see it, it just seems too brutal.
I like wresting. I used to wrestle in high school. But the more I see it in MMA, the more I think its ruining its entertainment value. Soon we’re going to have belt holders in most of the weight categories primarily using wrestling to get there (Lesner, Jones*, Sonnen, GSP, Maynard).
*Jones is a dynamic and entertaining fighter, but I see him going the way of GSP.
@DAWGBONE: Sorry about that, I meant in reference to glassjaw’s comment on pins
hopefully hits to the head on the ground and downward elbows will be brought back in, i mean, i think that knees to the top of the head/ back of the head shouldnt be allowed, but i think to the side of the head should, should have more optinos off a sprawl/ more options for g n p
for all the freaking out people do about it when someone does it illegally now, there werent any terrible consequences in pride, just meant that people couldnt fight in ways that were stupid e.g. defending urself less when on one knee by putting ur hand on the ground to ‘stop’ getting kicked in the head… (because u count as downed then.. supposedly)
any rule set of a fight that rewards defending urself less/ attacking less should be rethough out – definitions need to be redone and the ‘whys’ and ‘what ifs’ looked at – instead of “that karate guy just split concrete, no way we’re letting guys do that in fights”
Maybe not stomps or soccer kicks (not from a medically dangerous standpoint, but from a ‘looks too nasty, bad for the sport’ way) but I’m all in favour of knees to the head on the ground. THAT is how to make wrestlers think twice about shooting. Look at Mark Kerr vs Igor Vovchanchyn. BOOM MOTHERFUCKER!
For the record, if you’re not wearing shoes, stomping a guy’s face on the ground isn’t really much worse than dropping a hard elbow from mount. I’m sure some big wrestlers GnP harder than Wand ever stomped someone.
yeah stomps don’t seem to be that dangerous since there have been what 2 stomp stoppages/kos? Might looks evil, ala American History X, but rarely gets used.
Knees the the head are a great way to stop a fighter from trying to hump you to death/hold on to your legs. I hate it when a guy just holds on for like 2 minutes without really doing anything.