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Mir + Nog + TUF = Ass

Chalk one up to Cage Potato … they were right about the TUF 8 coaches:

Spike TV announced Monday that UFC interim heavyweight champion Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and former champion Frank Mir will be the coaches for season eight of The Ultimate Fighter.

Now here’s a question for you: Why the fuck are there so few websites out there screaming “WEAKSAUCE” over this shit? I mean, go onto any forum out there and you’ll read reactions from people that range from angry to confused to resigned to utter ambivalence (which means not giving a shit for those of you who hate my uppity big-wordiness). Yet go read the countless blogs out there and no one is giving the UFC a hard time over this lame-ass uninspired choice.

Let’s get something straight: a fight between Frank Mir and Big Nog is barely interesting enough to carry a PPV on it’s own, let alone an entire season of TUF. As for the argument that TUF exposure is a great way for Nog to become popular, that’s ass backwards thinking. Sticking a relatively unknown guy on TUF is just going to result in less people giving a shit about it. And it’s not like Nog just needs a showcase for his shining personality. The guy looks / acts like a big lumbering Frankenstein. For all the excitement he creates in the ring, he’s duller than matte paint in real life.

And don’t even get me fucking started on Frank Mir … Frank Mir, who everyone continues to say is “back.” This, despite the fact that UFC virgin Brock Lesnar nearly smashed his face through the canvas. Despite the fact that his only ‘convincing’ recent win was against a kickboxer who tried to out-sub him. I know MMA fans have the memory of sea amoebae, but was it really that long ago that a Krispy Kreme sponsored Mir waddled into the octagon to get easily annihilated by Brandon Vera?

So yes … in summary, these coaches suck balls. Short of revolutionary changes to the TUF formula, I have no fucking idea how anyone can be excited about this next season.

  • Shabazz says:

    Maybe people just don’t give two shits about TUF anymore one way or another.

  • Jester says:

    Honestly this will be one of the better season’s of TUF for the soul reason that the two coaches are actually good coaches in real life. You put down anything these days and fightlinker is seriously becomming an emo as fuck MMA blog. All you do is bitch and moan about anything new and talk about how much it will fail. The show was created to not only catch rating but discover and help elevate newer fighters to the mainstream, they couldn’t of picked a better pair of coaches to produce a series of good fights. Quit bitching all the time.

  • fightfan says:

    Another year wait for a title match. And Both Vera and/or Werdum would both beat the piss outta Mir.

    Mir = great BJJ skills, black belt, CANT STRIKE
    Vera = great BJJ skills, black belt, GREAT STRIKING
    Werdum = great BJJ skills, black belt, GOOD STRIKES

    Mir’s striking is HORRIBLE while Both Vera and Werdum are good, Vera being the better, but Werdum is not so bad.

    What happened to the days when there were ONLY 6 events per year compared to the approximately 12 these days…..THERE were more TITLE FIGHTS BACK THEN COMPARED TO TODAY……JUST SAD!!!

  • Sean says:

    ^ Oh Snap ^

  • JackalAss says:

    something poetically pathetic about someone bitching and moaning about a blogsite (that he apparently spends enough time to read all the articles on, but still doesn’t absorb any info from) bitching and moaning too much.

    *south states hick accent* If you don’t like it, then you can get out!

  • Jester says:

    There where more title fights because there where less good fighters, I hate to say “Prime Mir” but for facing a guy as physically big and gifted as Brock Mir handled things pretty fucking well, does that mean I think Mir should be next in line for a shot? Not necessarly, but Mir has definately earned his stripes in his day. Who else deserves a title shot in the HW division besides the three people you mentioned, two of which are fighting eachother..

  • Jester says:

    I just find it repetitive and discouraging, if you really like MMA enough to blog about it everyday you shouldn’t sound so pesimistic about everything. If it doesn’t change I’ll just simply delete this from my favorites list and read all my MMA blogging at Cagepotato. I’m not bitching and moaning about this place I’m just merely stating an opinion.

  • fightfan says:

    I wiil say that the HW division is in bad shape, Other than Vera fighting Werdum, aret here really any other contenders? I would have to say no

    I think that the winner of Vera werdum should have the next shot at Nog. Put Mir against Herring. Mir, plain and simple is a great submission fighter, but that is it. Herring can defend sub attempts, he therefore would eventually beat Mir. The same goes with Vera and Werdum, but it would just happen MUCH quicker.

  • Ben F says:

    Fightlinker, I fear that you forget what TUF really is. It’s a marketing gimmick. Using it to make unknown fighters popular is exactly what it is meant to do. That’s why all the fighters are guys you’ve probably never heard of, but by the end of the season at least one or two of them will be household names. That’s what TUF is all about, and that’s what it does best.

    So why can’t it work with a coach? Think about Jens Pulver. He wasn’t a big name among most MMA fans when he went on TUF. He looked to be on the downside of his career. But TUF showcased his personality and his coaching ability (even if he only proved to be on the downside of his career in the fight against BJ).

    Big Nog could turn out to be an interesting coach. Who knows? At least he’ll have their respect right off the bat, maybe bring some Brazilian flava to the show.

    As for Mir, well, he got some heat by beating Lesnar and wowing the wrestling fans, so you can see why the UFC picked him.

    I’m not giddy with excitement over this, or any season of TUF anymore, but who would you rather see coach it? Forrest and Rampage are about as interesting as you could hope for, but the show still drags. As far as the options for coaches go, I can see why this makes the most sense for the UFC.

  • So what if Mir nearly got his face smashed in by Lesnar? Remember Nog vs. Sapp? There you had a bigger, significantly blacker version of Lesnar without any of the wrestling skills and almost no real MMA experience himself basically running apeshit all over Nog before the Brazilian managed to pull an armbar out of his ass.

    If it’s the heavyweight division being featured for that TUF, it’ll have a bunch of haymaker slinging fatasses and some talented light heavyweights who will cut down as soon as the show is over. The former will sell the show.

  • The Truth says:

    “WEAKSAUCE” = classic

    Who do you want to bash the UFC? MMAJunkie never says anything negative…they don’t do editorial pieces, just a bunch of crap on local fights\fighters from the Midwest

  • Tommy says:

    Big Nog is the champ and Mir is well spoken, camera friendly and a good teacher. With the added new found noterioty of beating Lesner, it’s not that bad of a choice. You just seem really mad lately. Must be the anal herpes.

  • syqnys says:

    I disagree. I think both Nog and Mir are going to be pretty good coaches. They will both offer a lot of knowlaged to their teams. I think it will be interesting to watch Nog coach a team of younger fighters, same with Mir. I would agree that the winner of Vera-Werdum should be the # 1 cont, or perhaps AA, but that would just prospone a title fight that is already going to be prosponed due to TUF. Besides, Mir and Nog is going to be a really good fight! Can’t wait.

  • JackalAss says:

    Jester, the weakest move Fightlinker could do would be to capitulate to one reader’s opinion. He won’t change, so just go ahead and delete this site from your favorites. Linker does pieces that aren’t so pessimistic, but the overwhelming nonsensical support for bonehead moves that exists in the mma blogosphere begs for someone to give a counterpoint, an honest opinion that isn’t pandering to the wants of a vocal minority, or sucking up to dana’s nuts to get UFC recognition. There’s just so much taht’s ridiculously optimistic, it gets kind of sickening. That’s why I like to hit up multiple sites, to vary the opinions. For every fiveounces or bloodyelbow, there’s a fightlinker or, lower, mmafever. I’m glad they don’t all post the same, watered down, namby pamby bullshit.

    Personally, I have to agree with him on the Nog Mir choice. I was actually excited about the Rampage vs Forrest as coaches, but I’m still perfectly content to wait till the episode’s up on torrent so I can watch it without commercials. I like Nog and Mir, but not enough to be waiting on pins and needles to see them on the show. The editing team of the show should take a step back, and give more focus to the fighters, and the relvant things they have to say and discuss, as opposed to stiching together a sensationalist hype job that has gotten so very tiring for those that have tuned in for eight seasons.

    On a lighter note, they should mic up Dana, mir and Nog for the fights.
    Dana-“Holy fuck! you see that takedown?!”
    Mir-“Yeah, Dana, that was avery slick move, and now we get to see his artful transition to the mount, and I think he’s starting to setup an armbar.”
    Nog- “Uunnnnnnngh! cérebros.”

  • my nog is bigger says:

    The emo of bloggers. That’s funny. But my nog is still bigger.

    Link on, Fightlinker.

  • Lifer says:

    Instead of Nog they should have had Brandon Vera vs. Frank Mir for the battle to claim the crown of the most over-hyped.

  • Ben F says:

    Oh, and ambivalent doesn’t mean “not giving a shit.” That would be indifference. Ambivalence means being of two minds, or being unsure about something. Just thought I’d be a jerk about that.

    And for the record, I appreciate your angry rants about stuff like this, even when I disagree.

  • Airipsus says:

    no it wasn’t that long ago he lost to also wasn’t that long ago Mir was in a motorcycle wreck you ass would complain no matter who they put in as coaches.who gives a fuck ,it’s going to happen. get over it.

  • Zane says:

    I do agree to a point, but I have always been way more interested in the fighters than the coaches anyway. That is what makes the show good is all the different fighters personalities and styles. The coaches don’t really see all that much TV time, but it will probably be the worst season in terms of coaches bringing something extra. I am bummed its WW and not LW because I was going to send in a tape.

    BTW, FL why do you hate Jack Kerouac again?

  • Mike_N says:

    Man, the Jackals are out in full force on this!

    Well, according to Ben’s definition (congrats on the SI gig, by the way), I’m ambivalent about the show: on the one hand, it’d be hard for the UFC to find two guys on their roster who’re better versed in jiu-jitsu/submission grappling, but on the other hand, neither guy is particularly well-known for being charismatic.

    I did enjoy Mir’s attempt to draw parallels between his comeback win over Lesnar and Nog’s ability to overcome horrendously one-sided ass-whippings to pull out the big wins, though.

  • Tommy says:

    Seems like Link don’t like coaches that can actually train and coach the students. He prefers funny guys like Forrest and Rampage. Who both admit to being not the best at it. (and it shows) Guess screw the guys there to actually learn, train and fight. The show is just supposed to set up a coach fight? Both Nog and Mir have alot to offer as coaches, nomatter how you feel.

  • ChinBo says:

    Im sorry but I stopped caring about TUF long ago. At this point I have seen so many episodes and seen so many cans come through the system. It doesnt seem worth the couple of good fighters that actually stick around, to hold up the belt for that long.

    And to top it off we have this lackluster matchup, just because the UFC cant get their HW division in order, is just pathetic. If they announced this as a HW fight in the fall, I would be like “ok, at least it is a title fight, should be pretty good.”

    But TUF is supposed to showcase these matchups that everyone wants to see. Mir v Nog is just ehhh in my book.

  • Steve4192 says:

    I’m just looking to forward to trying to figure out which days Big Nog skips practice and sends Rogerio to cover for him.

  • Egg Nog says:

    It’s silly to think NOG’s boring personality will be shown full bore on the show. Some cutting/editing will make him look like a pontificating beast! They’l have him swinging from trees or something. Just watch.

  • garth says:

    here’s an idea for TUF: get MMA coaches to handle the show, and let the fighters fight for their titles. leave the show as a development setup. let the UFC guys come in as guest coaches for a couple eps before PPVs.

  • It’s not worth getting my dander up….

    The excitement is no longer there. I am spoiled and just watch it because I am an MMA addict…

  • correction: I am a MMA addict…

  • andres says:

    Haha hey jester than stfu and get the fuck out we don’t need no pussy punk bitch moaning and crying about a website that is suppose to moan and cry so we can have threads like this one with nice opinions you dumbfuck!

    Also wtf this is the greatest tuf ever this means we get to see rampage anderson gsp and penn nonstop allday I can care less about the heavyweight divison now lets let them build vera up so we can see vera vs.bignog also it add a little spice to the nog train and that makes his vera vs nog a good ppv
    Because we all know nogs boxing is better than mir
    His chin is way better and his subs come on don’t make me laugh

    Do I have a point??

  • andres says:

    Jester is your name ricky??

  • MarleyMarl says:

    Who knows how this will all work out, I said this before, but is Nog’s English even very good?
    It’s shit how there wont be a heavyweight title fight for a while..

  • MJC_123 says:

    At least it keeps the main competitors out of the 8year non fight window TUF imposes upon its coaches, just remember it could have been GSP….Tears would have been shed.

    This series will suck I mean Nog is a top fighter, but he sounds like Harry from Harry and the Hendersons so his communication skills will be limited hence the TV rapport will die….and it says alot for the state of the HW division when Mir is considered a top contender after beating Brock Lesnar.


  • Jersey Tomato says:

    The fact of the matter is that in the beginning TUF was crucial to the development of the UFC brand. Back then, MMA was still considered a barbaric sport and it needed publicity to lift it out of the gutter and gain acceptance by the masses. That heavy lifting is, by and large, now complete and so TUF is increasingly becoming irrelevant. I find the show to be an incredible bore and, if I watch at all, I will merely fast forward to the fight(s). I seriously could do without the show because it winds up putting the coaches on the shelf for way too long. They must pay these coaches well because Rampage and Griffin could have each fought twice since their last fights by now and (assuming they won) raised their status as LHW fighters.

  • JohnMatrix says:

    This isn’t the worst thing in the world. At least Nog and Mir won’t tie up a competitive division’s title.

  • Jeremy (not that Jeremy) says:

    Mir will be a very good coach, and I think people are underrating his charisma because they clearly aren’t familiar with Mir (which is understandable since the height of his career came during the somewhat darker days of UFC).

    You had to see heavyweights coming though, UFC has no good options at this point for rebuilding the heavyweight division, and this is almost a last gasp attempt at it. Buying fighters is getting difficult because there are so few of them, and a headlining heavyweight fight is an easy sale for almost any promotion, so they’re willing to overpay, and make all sorts of ridiculous promises that they’ll never be able to keep contractually.

    Silvia wasn’t the first heavyweight to walk from UFC (nor Couture), and he won’t be the last in this market.

    I haven’t watched the previous TUF seasons, but if you’re not watching this one, you’re missing out on some excellent fights (even if they are exhibitions that don’t count in the record). From talking to other people who did watch previous seasons, it sounds like there is a lot more focus on fights this season than in the past (there were two fights in last week’s episode, and they took up a good 90% of the show), and very little in the drama department.

    If they’re going to have the same level of preparation and commitment from the fighters on next season’s show as they have in this season, then it will also be worth watching.

  • Jemaleddin says:

    Dammit – somebody already beat me to correcting the “ambivalent” definition… What to criticize, what to criticize…

    Oh! Losing to Brandon Vera isn’t really a crime in my book. Yeah, he got tooled by Tim, but Tim causes problems for a lot of guys.

  • Rhett Moir says:

    So Frank Mir gets destroyed by Marcio “Pe de Pano” Cruz and Brandon Vera and its because he isnt a prime Frank Mir anymore?

    So what was Ian Freeman’s win then…fluke? Or evidence that anyone with a gas tank and a knowledge of ground fighting beats a prime or flabby as fuck Mir more often than not

    God I hate Frank Mir, useless, fat, prick

  • ninjitsu says:

    Who got tooled by Tim? Tim lost to both of these guys..

  • DonnyG says:

    I think there’s a point being missed here. This means that Nog won’t have to defend his interim title. By the time they fight the Randy shit will be cleared up and Nog can defend the actual title. I think this has something to do with the UFC’s decision.

  • Jester says:

    I think it’s funny you hug this site’s nuts so close, nothing like a bunch of overweight Canadians talking about how they think Frank Mir is “WEAKSAUCE”. I say instead of all the shit talk you actually work out or maybe get in a fight, before you trash people in your shit can poorly written blog entries. Calling Kit Cope a douche is funny, trashing Frank Mir for kneebarring a fucking beast of a man isn’t. I’d love to see how well you do in a fight against Brock Lesnar, before you talk shit about how well he did.

  • micjasbro says:

    “revolutionary changes to the TUF formula…” is going back to the two weight classes format. Like, ratings were better back then right? So does that mean they’re bringing back the challenges too?

  • Gaston says:

    I think its allright. Mir and nog may not be the guys you will love or love to hate at the end of the season, but the heavyweights certainly needs reinforcements. Rich Franklin wasn´t a coach that stood out but it worked out anyway. And like fedor nog opens up some more when interviewed by fellow countrymen in Brazil. Just look at this old interview. But the language could be a problem

  • D-Rock Dizzle Jones says:

    UFC needs to build up their Heavy Weight division.

    What better way then to do a TUF season based on Heavyweights.

    They need to start making TUF more like Tapout.

  • JackalAss says:

    Oh, jester, you silly fucker. Go back to sherdog. I read responses like yours all the time there. Those ‘comebacks’ are consistantly the saddest, most pathetic drivel ever typed, good job on making yourself look like a douche.

    Just cause you agree that Cope is a douche, it’s all right, but since you happen to be sporting a half-chub for Mir, it’s not alright to call the choice of Mir as a coach for TUF weaksauce. grow up. Your not as important as you think. Mir subbing hardonk wasn’t that great a win, and then subbing a wrestler with a years experience of mma does not make him a god. He doesn’t deserve a title shot so soon. He’s human, and a boring choice as coach.
    Although, I can’t think of a better division to tie up the champ from. I’d rather see any other division’s champs fight.

    And I think some people need clarification here on the weight classes featured for the show. It will be coached by the HW’s, but the participants will be light weight and light heavy-weight.

    Zane, you shoulda sent a tape in. Even if it was WW, often the LW fighters are successful at that weight, because they don’t have to cut water, and end up having a better gas tank for the multiple fights in a short time span.

  • Beau says:

    I’m looking forward to this season. The heavyweight division is shit right now anyways and could use a break until december to flesh out some more contenders. Plus its a great marketing tool to increase the popularity of Nog and Mir. You may think it’s backwards, but the 1.5 million people who watch TUF every week will now be invested in the careers of Nog and Mir after the show. This is also a sign that Arlovski didn’t resign and he was the only title contender that made sense so they are “making” Mir make sense to 1.5 million people by putting him on the show opposite Nog. You never liked TUF anyways so it doesn’t matter who they put at coach, you will bitch. Just be happy its the interim HW title tied up and not something else. I for one like getting a fresh mma fight or two every week that I don’t know the outcome to. Watching blurry buffering videos on daily motion and youtube gets really fucking old.

  • RL Dookiefuck says:

    No. Mir going from an untelevised bout with Justin McCully to getting a guaranteed title shot half a year from now is lame as hell any way you slice it.

  • andres says:

    Hey jester oh man if I can find out who you are get the fuck outa here

  • Lifer says:

    gotta love the ‘if you dont fight, you cant comment’ mentality. that shit never gets old! keep it coming.

  • ninjitsu says:

    Hey, I’m happy Mir is getting a title shot. I love fighters who seem at least a little intelligent and well spoken. He should be a good coach next season.

  • Dr. Gonzo says:

    It will be nice to see both Nogs train the fighters and to see if he brings Anderson on board to KILL these kids in training. Nog is going to box Mirs ears in for the fight so that is not an issue to me. I would like to see the fighters let out of the house and see how they preform after a night out in Vegas. I think it will show the real fighters and spice up the show a bit.

  • Kel says:

    Mildly intriguing matchup…Though they may be great coaches, following ‘Page and Forrest (Video Gold) will enhance the dull feeling I am already getting about the coming season. The heavyweight division doesn’t really have anything to lose by “shelving” the champ. I am optimistic that the bright spot of the next season may be the enlightenment of casual fans and new fans of the sport.
    Who really wants to read subtitles (see: Nog), unless they are from some kick a** JapanaMMA, or German porn……

  • Beau says:

    The only subtitles you’ll be reading will be from Anderson Silva who will most definitely make a guest appearance to help out Nog. They are opening a gym together, it’s bound to happen. Nog’s english is at least as easy to understand as St. Pierre’s.

  • Joon4s says:

    Actually it really doesn’t matter who the coaches are, you can’t teach anything during six weeks. It pisses me off that the title is on hold during the show, but since it HW title and Nog vs Mir, I really couldn’t care less. This season I’ve only watched the fights…

  • MacDaddy says:

    I think it’s time to give up on the Big Brother-style format for TUF, they have 2 choices they can either book a fight night card and then film all of the fighter’s training camps, or they can get well known UFC stars to compete in a ballroom dancing competition.