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Last thoughts on UFC 78

On the Bandwagon:

  • Joe Lauzon: The guy steamrolled Jason Reinhardt and is only going to get better. No matter how much of a goof he is, I can no longer keep claiming he’s just been lucky up to this point. The boy’s got some serious skills.
  • Akihiro Gono: I haven’t gotten to see the fight, but I saw all I needed to see from the 10 second highlight. Zebra stripe tights and a sick armbar to boot? Sign me up for the Gono express!

Off the Bandwagon:

  • Michael Bisping: No, I’m not off the Houston bandwagon like the rest of the universe. But I am off the Bisping bandwagon. I gave him a pass when he almost fucked up against Elvis. And then I gave him a pass on the Hamill fight because really … who really expected Hamill to show up with firepower out of the blue? But at this point I’m sick of Bisping … he had two rounds with a gassed Rashad Evans to win my loyalty and he blew it.
  • Spencer Fisher: I think Cung Le has better takedown defense than Spencer Fisher … the King looked like an absolute scrub in this fight and if you’re gonna pick one fighter who was ‘exposed’ in this event, it was Fisher.

Everyone ignored:

  • The fact that Rashad Evans gassed hardcore (again).
  • The fact that Frankie Edgar had nothing in his toolbox past takedowns and guard passing.

Everyone said:

  • That Bisping got some karmic payback for the Hamill fiasco. I gotta agree, if Bisping didn’t have some serious douche points that needed redeeming I probably would have been angry about that judgment. That said, the only thing that could have made that match more farcical was a tie.
  • That Houston Alexander has been ‘exposed’. Like his lack of ground game wasn’t already as obvious as a gigantic 50 foot penis shooting multicolored laser beams.
  • That Karo can’t finish fights. Welcome to what we knew last year, people.
39 COMMENTS
  • TINO says:

    I don’t think Bisping experienced any “Karma” because I don’t tihnk he won the fight. Evans dominated the first round and Bisping didn’t even know he was in a fight until 1/2 way through the second round. He didn’t do enough in the 3rd to win the fight. Evans was gassed and Bisping couldn’t finish him…as Evans couldn’t do anything but takedowns, but he did them.

    So Dana says the winner is top five. Evans is top five, huh? Sad weight division then.

  • Ason says:

    I said it last night I think that high altitude training that Greg Jackson has those guys doing is bullshit. There is no science to that stuff, if anything it makes your cardio worse when you go back down to sea level.

  • Thomas says:

    Rashad gassed because he was working too hard for those takedowns. Instead of shooting after a combo he pinned Bisping to the cage and tried to force him down. Needs to learn how to work less and he’ll be fine

  • Matthew Watt says:

    Yes, Frankie likes takedowns, but your statement that “all he has is wrestling” is wrong. On the feet, Frankie held his own in the exchanges, moved in and out of the pocket fairly well, and was scoring decently with his boxing. No, he was not dominating Fisher with his hands, but at the same time he was not a piece of sh#t on the feet like you would want to believe.

  • Teflon says:

    Agree with Matthew. Frank Edgar did land the more effective strikes on the feet (albeit a few). Also he has some serious gnp. Not only that, he got Spencer’s back and attempted an RNC. Exciting fighter IMO. Gotta give credit to Fisher though, his defense kept him in the fight.

  • Xavier says:

    Evans needs to leave the Jackson camp. His takedowns have suffered in the last couple fights. Jackson’s camp is mostly stand-up focused… it’s not really a good camp for people like Jackson or Sanchez. Jackson used to drive people into the cage with such ferocity that they’d be completely overwhelmed.

    He has really regressed since the Lambert fight, I have to think training with a mostly stand-up crew isn’t doing much for him at this point.

    All that said, anyone who thinks Bisping won that fight is fucking crazy. Just because a fighter gasses doesn’t mean the other fighter deserves a victory when he does NOTHING of substance. Hell, it’s even less of a reason for the person to deserve a victory… if you can’t do anything against a gassed opponent (And he couldn’t do anything against Hamill when he gassed either) then you really, really fucking suck.

  • Teflon says:

    Jackson’s camp is stand up oriented? I have to disagree. Besides Keith Jardine, Jackson’s fighters are mostly ground fighters. Villasenor, Marquardt, Page, and you mention Sanchez (who learned his grappling from Greg Jackson and was a member there for years) are all great ground fighters. If anything, fighters should leave Greg Jackson to learn some better striking. Greg Jackson’s best commodity however is his game plans.

    Oh yeah, Rashad clearly won the fight.

  • Teflon says:

    But I’m surprised Rashad didn’t keep it standing. Those takedowns took a lot out of him early in the fight.

  • hbdale309 says:

    Rashad could hardly move after the 1st round b/c he was so out of breath. Bisping did well in the second round while showing that he could take down Rashad. What pissed me off was the 3rd round… Bisping didn’t do shit, and he gave that fight away. If he had let his hands go a bit and/or taken Rashad down a couple of times he woulda easily won that fight. *jumps off Bisping bandwagon; takes a leak on the wheel *

  • Earhole says:

    Jackson is a ground guy himself. Winkeljohn does the majority of striking instruction, at least for the “normal” students. The big culprit for that milktoast fight is Evans’ Peter North-ing it in the second round with retardedly undiversified game. Jackson calls him cerebral and creative? Hand Evans some crayons and he’ll show you a seascape drawn entirely in burnt sienna…

    Also, Bisping’s just a boring f’ing fighter. They call Calzaghe a “slapper” rather than a puncher? He isn’t, but his pikey cousin is. Bisping has combos that must look great in the shower but apparently don’t amount to much when you’re trying to hit a large black man…

  • ajadoniz says:

    my bandwagon broke, can someone let me get on theirs?

  • jazzn says:

    Bisping said that everyone said he doesn’t belong in there with Rashad but this fight proves he does. I agree. They definitely belong together somewhere, preferably somewhere with no cameras or octagon and no one watching. And what they do there is their own business.

  • Royal B. says:

    Everyone ignored:

    Dana’s shitty taste in entrance music.

    this was a PPV based on popularity then on skill. Gono/Barncat could’ve made everything better.

  • Xavier says:

    “Jackson’s camp is stand up oriented? I have to disagree. Besides Keith Jardine, Jackson’s fighters are mostly ground fighters. Villasenor, Marquardt, Page, and you mention Sanchez (who learned his grappling from Greg Jackson and was a member there for years) are all great ground fighters. If anything, fighters should leave Greg Jackson to learn some better striking. Greg Jackson’s best commodity however is his game plans.”

    Well then something is jacked up there then, as both Evans and Sanchez, who came out of TUF with great takedowns… have looked like shit when it comes to takedowns in their last couple of fights. Both fighters have regressed when it comes to grappling lately.

    Thanks for the info though, I don’t know where I got that twisted.

  • Xavier says:

    “Dana’s shitty taste in entrance music.”

    Fighters choose that, not Dana.

    Also, there was a mine explosion in the Ukraine today. That wasn’t Dana either. Shockingly, not all things that happen in the world are Dana’s fault.

  • Earhole says:

    “Greg Jackson’s best commodity however is his game plans.”

    And what a gameplan it was. Mike Fratello won by making the other team stop caring whether they lived or died, let alone win the game. Jackson does the same thing; anything for the W. Evans almost blew it anyway, but hate the player, not the corner…

  • Ted Dibaise says:

    why did you think joe lauzon was lucky? hes good.

  • ADEN OMAR says:

    Well Bisping was once and for all proved wrong after his controversial win over Matt Hamill Rashad most definitely put him in his right place. What can we say about Alexander except that he has the lamest ground game we are yet to see in the UFC he should stop relying on his punches the dude is more of a boxer than a MMA master. Thiago Silva on their definitely showed a tight game plan and skill on his feet and on the ground ALL HAIL THIAGO SILVA for putting Alexander in his right ie OUT OF THE OCTAGON.

  • Teflon says:

    “Well then something is jacked up there then, as both Evans and Sanchez, who came out of TUF with great takedowns… have looked like shit when it comes to takedowns in their last couple of fights. Both fighters have regressed when it comes to grappling lately.

    Thanks for the info though, I don’t know where I got that twisted.”

    I agree, their takedowns aren’t that great. I think they recently got Mike Van Arsdale in their camp, so hopefully things work out for them.

  • dandeman says:

    Houston became the Cheik Kongo the LHW. I hope he takes a crash six month course in Jiu Jitsu, and come back hard. Because one loss does not end a bandwagon

  • Royal B. says:

    “Fighters choose that, not Dana.”

    Oliver Copp, the European commentator for UFC, stated on the Figure Four radio show 3 or 4 months ago that Dana sets up the entrance music.

    I can get you the Mp3 if you like.

  • Mobb Deep says:

    Dana has influence over entrance music, but does not necessarily chose it. If he did chose entrance music, then why would he allow Cro Cop to use the PRIDE Theme in his UFC debut (this was before the UFC bought PRIDE). On that note, I found it fucking weird that Alexander came into Kid Rock, given that hes a hip-hop radio DJ.

  • Teflon says:

    Dana has to give permission. I don’t think the UFC allows excessive swearing in the songs and stuff like that. I don’t think it goes any further than that. Dana doesn’t say “you are coming out to Credence Clearwater REvival because I said so”.

  • Mr. Theplague says:

    I defended this damn event on site multiple times and it sucked donkey ass. I wanted the Lytle fight and the Gono fight, which looked awesome. I was so happy to get that glimpse of the barcat getting his arm ripped off, but instead I have to watch little Frankie lay n’ pray for 15 minutes.

  • Ted Dibaise says:

    kid rock was a DJ before he became every trailor trash’s favorite “rapper”. maybe he feels connected to him thru DJ’ing.

  • Earhole says:

    I never liked Alexander because of how he showboated over Jardine after knocking him the fuck out. I do have to admit that he’s exciting as hell and my heart goes pitter-patter every time I see his gigantic dome in the Octagon(!), but it was just a matter of time before he was exposed.

    I wouldn’t say he’s got the worst ground game in the UFC — the Pete Spratt Trophy goes to…Pete Spratt — but he’s damn close. It seemed like Alexander was attempting to answer the MMA chairfighters’ criticisms on “the internets” when he initiated the clinch…with a BJJ black belt…from Brazil…

    The same confidence that allowed Kingdome to plow through his first opponents may have gotten him ridden like a Shetland pony in a petting zoo. He seems like a good guy in interviews, hopefully with this fight it’ll carry over to the Octagon(!)…

  • DannyP says:

    “The fact that Frankie Edgar had nothing in his toolbox past takedowns and guard passing.”

    He can also box quite nicley but for some reason he decided not to box with a dude who hits like a truck and has bad takedown defense. Who da thunk it?

    I also won lots of money off Alexander losing as I’m so smart

  • marshal says:

    I’m getting excited off some WEC (on versus ch.) now after watching last nights de-action.

  • Xavier says:

    “If he did chose entrance music, then why would he allow Cro Cop to use the PRIDE Theme in his UFC debut”

    And when asked about it post-event press conference, said that he thought it was a weird choice but let’s fighters come out to what they wish within reason. While Dana can veto a choice (fuckin’ obviously) he doesn’t choose entrance music unless a fighter doesn’t care. There’s an interview with Eric Shafer online where he talks about letting the UFC choose because all of his picks would be silly and embarassing otherwise.

    If you ever watch a DVD of a UFC event, you’ll find that a lot of music is changed because the UFC doesn’t have a license for various songs that the fighters pick. If Dana picked all the entrance music, they’d use licensed or house music so they wouldn’t have to edit the stuff off the DVD’s.

  • Vee says:

    WOW . . . UFC 78 definitely was the worst card. I paid my $40 and I can’t have my money back.

  • stellar53 says:

    Fuck Rashad…….Bisping won….

  • Ted Dibaise says:

    Fuck Rashad & Bisping

    no one deserved a win. they both shoulda gotten losses.

  • Mr. Theplague says:

    Eh, fuck Bisping. Radshad had less time to train. If Bisping really, really wanted the win, he would have done more in there. Time to drop to middleweight and take on the winner of Hendo/Silva.

  • Swedish Guy says:

    I fkn love Karo, and every single time I see him I pray to the almighty east european god (guess that would be Brezjnev or Stalin or someone) that he has learned how to finish fights. But no, still he hasn’t. He is awesome to watch and you know he’ll always win the three rounds decisively, but he’ll never knock someone out or submit them. Too bad.

  • Accomando says:

    Can’t wait for Mayweather/Hatton.

    The 24/7 show on HBO last night, was f’ing awesome, better than UFC 78, and it was just the build up to the fight.

  • Mike_N says:

    I don’t think that Fisher was exposed so much as Edgar’s wrestling was just that good. The main reason that Edgar could almost never get past Fisher’s half-guard was that Fisher’s ground defense is that good. I mean, Edgar did get side control a couple of times over three rounds and Fisher gave up his back once, but for the most part, Edgar was stuck in Fisher’s guard. Like you said, Fightlinker, Fisher’s a bleeder, and he really didn’t take that much damage during the fight.

    Back to the drawing board for Spence, I guess.

  • frickshun says:

    They must have been pumping some drug into the place b/c it didn’t look like such a shit event live. The place is beautiful inside too. Also, live fights must happen in fast forward b/c the night flew by. They do a good job of keeping it moving & didn’t play too much death metal. Right b4 10pm they got the place orgasmic by playing a phenominal video package of KO’s subs & upsets but finished w/Griffin-Bonnar 1 which I find offensive(CroCops twisty trick leg in there too).

    Barncat was killing Gono on the feet & looked physically stronger in rd 1. He got caught w/1 good punch in rd 2 which changed the whole complexion (you know the result). Gono looked thorough unimpressive til he finished it.

    Lytle easily won rd 1 w/good striking & decent clinchwork (Alves did land 1 slappy rt hook to open the cut. Rd 2 was pretty even except for some viscious leg kicks by Alves to squeek it out. Cut(s) didn’t look bad @ all. Everyone was shocked by the stoppage considering it was a great fight up til then & easily fight of the night.

    Reinhardt didn’t deserve to be on that card. He should never even gotten a call from the UFC. I always thought Lauzon is the future but he should have gotten a tougher test than that. I’d like to see him rematch Gamburyan (probably won’t happen any time soon).

    The crowd went fucking apeshit when Serra strolled through. He had a ridiculous Kool-Aid smile. I really hope he makes a good showing next month. At one point I thought a fight broke out b/c the crowd was roaring. I looked up & just realized his face was on the screens. They LOVE him. Incidentally, Pete Sell was barely recognized even though he looks exactly like the guy from MTV’s “The Head”. Rampage got a lot of love from the crowd but he had some entourage that stopped fans from swarming after 60 secs of handshakes & pics.

    Yes the main event sucked & Evans has lost me as a fan b/c he has plateaud. But Bisping has very little skill. He doesn’t want to stand in the pocket & trade, plus his striking is waaaay overrated. Even if he drops to 185, it doesn’t change his skillset & he has zero wrestling. Give Evans a tougher test & I guarantee he loses. Sell Bisping to Cage Rage. Most importantly, my boss went 8-1 betting & will be flying me to Sin City soon for another event. Isn’t that what really matters?

  • Jonathan says:

    The last and only thing that you need to know is that this show SUCKED!

  • kentyman says:

    Jackson calls him cerebral and creative? Hand Evans some crayons and he’ll show you a seascape drawn entirely in burnt sienna…

    Holy shit. Earhole FTW.

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