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I used to love Strikeforce.  They were on NBC super late at night, they put on exciting fights, they had Cung Le back when people as dumb as me were hyping him as a future MW contender, and they allowed us to see Frank Shamrock get his ass kicked a few times, which is always nice.  I’ve tried to support them – be it through my viewership or my constructive criticism.  I, however, am done.  The last straw:

Paul Daley’s long-rumored Strikeforce deal has come to fruition.

Strikeforce officials today announced the welterweight fighter, a UFC vet who defeated Jorge Masvidal at this past weekend’s Shark Fights 13 event, has signed a multi-fight deal with the promotion.

This is on the heels of Coker’s signing of Steroids McGillicutty last week – looks like Barnett will be rewarded for the sinking of Affliction with yet another shot at Fedor at some point… unless, of course, Strikeforce folds up shop and goes out of business, which is now what I’m actively rooting for.  Before, I just wanted them to go back to being a successful, competently run regional promotion.  I can’t do that anymore.  I want them to die, die quickly, and take their memories with them.

It’s one thing to have shitty “boobs and beer” MMA commercials.  It’s one thing to treat women’s MMA like shit, create divisions specifically for fighters (SF has done this for both Carano and Diaz), sign guys specifically to lose (Greg Nagy fought on CBS.  Let that sink in.) and employ Gus Johnson in a capacity which expects – nay, requires – him to speak.  And I put up with it, because hey, they weren’t the UFC, and they had to do what they had to do to survive.  No more.  Strikeforce, by signing a guy that committed unlawful assault in the ring (and another that was prevented from doing so by drug testing for PED’s), has removed itself from consideration as a legitimate MMA organization in my eyes.  They’re all about eyes at this point, and that’s sad.  It used to be about MMA.

So call me a UFC fan boy.  My beliefs about what should happen to the top echelon of the sport doesn’t have anything to do with my recognition of the necessity of smaller organizations.  Strikeforce is a tumor on MMA – the sooner they are excised, the better.

  • 32hunter says:


  • 32hunter says:

    so are you going to boycott them?

  • YEAH RIGHT says:

    shut up subo, you know hes going to end up in the ufc in a year or two anyways. Get over it.

  • Reverend Clint says:

    ^ unless you are Mike kyle i guess

    Im tired of strikeforce not being good anymore. Like Subo I used to be a fan, i mean i used to ranked them higher than the UFC in terms of good fights. Now they are like the retarded cousin to the UFC who fucks the other retard cousin Dream, their baby is Shark Fights BTW. I think they can get out of this funk and i do not want them to fail like Subo.

    Signing both Daley and Barnett is kinda dumb from the stand point that both are cheaters and not really worth the money they will be paid. Daley is a shitty one dimensional fighter and Barnett is a promotion killer.

  • glassjawsh says:

    sigh… always when you say something asinine I preface my brilliant and witty retort with “I usually agree with you suboticki but goddamnit….” what else would you have them do? especially when the UFC gobbles up almost all of the top talent. coker can either sign proven talent with some worts or put out inferior talent and lose fan interest (or sign freak shows), there is NO OTHER OPTION. this was the least of all evils IMO.

    its not like it matters what anyone but the UFC does, you will hate them because they aren’t your beloved Ultimate Fighting.

    something else to think about: if they both start winning (ie daley knocks out diaz/barnett tittie fucks fedor) no one will care about their past transgressions. winning cures all evils, this saying holds nearly universally true in all sports.

    edit: I take issue with you taking issue with strikeforce treating women’s MMA like shit. as opposed to the UFC treating women’s MMA like it doesn’t exist????

    re-edit: I give you the 195 “rich franklin” division

    re-re-edit: obviously you are not a college basketball fan, because Gus Johnson is easily in the top 5 best announcers come tournament time

  • robnashville says:

    one trick pony has one trick, but at least get your facts right…

    -create divisions specifically for fighters (SF has done this for both Carano and Diaz)….. EliteXC did this this with gina at 140 and diaz at 160… EliteXC is not equal to Strikeforce

    -(Greg Nagy fought on CBS. Let that sink in.)…. He fought on the january card in Miami that was on showtime….. let that sink in….

  • FiveBoltMain says:

    You need to put your hatred towards SF into something more constructive. So SF signed Daley, boo hoo, it’s not the end of the world. He’ll get exposed, again, and that will be that. He’s not going to make their ratings go through the roof because he’s not a big draw.

  • fightfan says:

    Strikeforce is so weak. They pick up ALL of those that cant make it in the UFC, all of their fallouts and fuckups. It is EASY being #2, all they haver to do is sign those that get cut by UFC.

    They do other shit like “fabricating” fighters like Lashley and Walker. They give title shots to guys that just lost last fight since they have few big names. They go out of there way to sign “new” fighters to give these “stars” easy chacnes to win.

    I could go on and on….but Strikeforce is weak. They are happy with being a far distant #2 and collecting all of the UFC’s tablescraps and guys that use roids and guys that get suspended and banned by UFC.

  • SST says:

    At least they’re MMA fighters. The UFC paid Toney 500K to run his mouth! Kimbo Slice? Some cheaters in the UFC: Gilbert Yvel? Leben? Parisyan?

    Although SF has had some questionable match ups, I’d hate to see them go under. They’re doing a lot of interesting things that the UFC does not do: tournaments, ref cam, women’s MMA, match ups with Dream fighters, post fight beat downs.

    Nothing was more thrilling than seeing Carano get destroyed by Cyborg!

  • fightfan says:


    I dont often agree with you or others period. but I have to agree 100% with you here. Strikeforce/Showtime could care less about mma. All they want is eyeballs. And they will sign ANYONE, regardless if they are a pro fighter or not…whterher they are 50 year old and have NEVER fought.

    They dont care. They will “fabricate” stars. I am shocked that Jose Conseco isnt a Striekforce star. I wouldnt be surprised if Barry Bonds wants to “try” mma. All he would have to do is join a gym for a month and a half and he wil get an easy Strikrfoce MAIN card televised fight Cant say the UFC NEVER does it(Bisping, Kimbo, Toney)..but at least it is rare and the guys have fought before.

    Man I could go on and on. Strikeforce is a disgrace

  • Schrute Boxe says:

    And yet in November, Maiquel Falcao, a man who basically did the same thing as Daley will be fighting in the UFC.

  • Makinal says:

    they were better when they were small, now they suck dick

  • Geoffr0y says:

    I liek turtles.

  • maafaka says:

    i used to like Subo, he was kinda funny from time to time with his constant free agressiveness now hes turning to an old Zach Arnold bitter bitch…

  • Symbul says:

    Shitty as their shitty decisions sometimes are, I think they’re good for MMA.

    High level fighters need somewhere between the UFC and Shark (let alone Shine!) Fights to go. SF still has relevant fights and entertaining ones besides that.

    I wonder what it’d be like if they had creative control with Showtime.

  • DaddyPants says:

    this is my rant about strikeforce:

    you are correct sir, strikeforce should just fucking die already. i had high hopes for them since they were a very legit regional promotion once upon a time, but ever since they picked up elitexc’s cbs spot they’ve been steadily letting me down as a fight fan. they’ve had some very good fights, but they are few and far between, and for the most part the promotion’s cards have had that boxing/predetermined outcome feel to the fights. not to say that they are fixed fights, but that they set up their “name brand” fighters against lesser opponents so they can usually assure they get the winners they wanted who are easier to promote.

    the people who run strikeforce obviously have no respect for MMA, you can just look at their actions and see this (would a promotion that gave a shit about the sport put someone like Gus “i wish this was college basketball” Johnson as their announcer on a major network show, when he obviously has no clue what the fuck is happening inside the cage?). if they did then they would put on more fights that the fans want to see, competitive fights between contenders, not this pad your record Bobby Lashely style bullshit. its EXACTLY the same modus operandi that eltexc had going, just change the logo on the mat and switch the Scott Coker fat suit for a Gary Shaw one. both guy’s were puppet promoters with no real power in their promotions who did whatever the fuck Showtime’s Boxing honchos told them to do. its a lack of respect for the sport, and its an insult to the fans the way they present their product.

    Paul Daley is in the wrong sport anyways. he’s been doing MMA long enough to learn how to fucking sprawl by now. the guy’s had like 36 fights, if he doesn’t comprehend that take down defense is important enough to learn by now then he needs a different vocation. let him try boxing or kick boxing where he doesn’t have to worry about the ground. or let him do some Bum Fights with Rufus. he’d be a perfect fit for Bum Fights now that i think about it, he’s got no fucking budo, he’s just a fucking bum with heavy hands. i might not like Koscheck’s fighting style, but that heel act he puts on is just a show, he’s playing it up to get some attention. Paul Daley is actually a douche with no honor, its not an act for him, and it made me sick to see him purposefully try and hit that guy after the bell. 2 years from now we’ll only remember him for being a cheater, since he’s never gonna be a champ (outside of the UK at least).

    also, fuck strikeforce for getting my hopes up about women’s MMA too. putting Kaufman (a fucking title holder) on a challengers card and only having like 6 women’s MMA fights (in two weight classes) in a year’s time is not the way to cultivate the sport. those people are fucking morons, and i think that once Carano lost to Cyborg they pretty much stopped giving a shit about the whole women’s MMA thing and just started doing as little as possible for it after that.

    fuck strikeforce (especially their announcers and matchmakers).

  • Grappo says:

    but Falcao did it X number of weeks/months/years ago, and it wasn’t in the UFC, so it doesn’t matter as much, and yada yada yada.

    Don’t even try to point out the multitude of inconsistent and hypocritical stances in subo’s writings. There’s always some minute or completely irrelevant detail that he can use to rationalize away the UFC’s involvement in similar behavior.

  • mamoru says:

    Strikeforce could have been awesome.
    They have the name, they have bank, they have the exposure.

    Then they use all their resources to prop up non-fighters like Lashley.
    They sign prospects like Tyron Woodley and Lyle Beerbohm and never get them fights.
    They can find a spot for fucking 0-2 Craig Oxley’s return after 9 years though, to fight ANOTHER 0-2 non-prospect.

    And the best defense the butthurt ufc haters can come up with is “zuffa does it too”?
    So what? That’s not an argument.
    Difference is, zuffa does a lot of good shit in addition to the dumb shit, strikeforce do not.
    They manage to sign a good fight once in a while, probably on accident, but not even their best matched fights lead anywhere, and everything they do is meaningless, there’s no big picture to their product, EVER.
    So fuck’em.

  • agentsmith says:

    You’re being just a wee bit dramatic, aren’t you Subo? Daley threw one punch that didn’t even really land. Personally, I thought him getting fired was excessive, a public tongue-lashing from Dana plus a fine and suspension would have been sufficient. But Dana’s paranoid about the mainstream media thinking the UFC is a bunch of thugs and such, so he overreacted. Meanwhile, guys do much worse in other sports all the time.

    But regardless, what do you expect from Strikeforce? Three of their champs gang-beat a guy on national TV and Coker didn’t say or do jack shit about it. Given that, I don’t think Coker gives a shit about a single suckerpunch.

  • Reverend Clint says:

    ^would it be ok if i came to your moms house and stabbed her but only a little?

  • Tanhauser says:

    Paul Daley will only hasten the death of SF.

    I mean.. he’s gonna take his horrible smack talk, weight missing fatty self to strikeforce to put on medicore fights.

    Only hardcores will watch and then only to see him lose.

  • Tanhauser says:

    Subo is nothing if not overly dramatic.

  • Big Shafty says:

    There’s a simple solution to all of this….DON’T WATCH! Save the crying for something that’s worth it.

  • 32hunter says:

    keep wishing but Strikeforce isn’t going anywhere.

  • Subbevil says:

    “So call me a UFC fan boy.”

    Well now I really don’t have to, do I?

    Every time you whine and bitch about something Strikeforce or (any other promotion) does while demonstrating a staggering ability to ignore EVERYTHING shitty thing that Dana, Zuffa, or the UFC does, it serious compromises your credibility. It’s time to start thinking and writing like a big boy.

  • Jericco1181 says:

    First off i dont give a fuck about SF, but to your rant.

    Gilbert Yvel. REALLY he has done FAR WORSE to a REFEREE then the total blocked shot that didnt even hit Kos and hes in the UFC.

    Shane Carwin, Hermes Franca, and Stephan Bonnar are all employed by the UFC and are all KNOWN roid users. Get off your high horse you UFC cocksmoking fagot.

    Did i go to far?

  • Reverend Clint says:

    Carwin hasnt been proven to be a steroid user, any court would say there is little to no evidence, and barnett has been found red handed 3 times. any fighter in the UFC that has been caught using roids has only done so once.

    Mike Kyle and Daley vs Gilbert Yvel. I’m not saying gilbert should be fighting in the UFC, I think he should never have been fired.

  • Strike Witch says:

    crush scott cokers faggot skull into the pavement

  • SST says:

    Subo’s been spending too much time at Bloody Elbow. They’re always talking smack about all the other MMA promotions.

  • godzillad says:

    So our “Live at Strikeforce coverage” posts were traded for these “Fuck Strikeforce” posts. Hope it was worth it…

  • mmariusp says:

    Jake Shields, Nick and Nate Diaz beat up Jason Miller, gang assualt .
    where is Shields now?

    Fuck Subo.

  • DJ ThunderElbows says:

    Subo: You’re ordering things much better, but losing personality. Ignoring the same shit in the UFC completely invalidates your tantrum regardless of delivery improvements. Stop being a boy and be a man when you’re writing.

    Strikeforce: Daley versus Diaz. Book it. Otherwise he’s worthless. And Scott Coker is just another business man trying to pay his employees. That’s all that matters to him. And unemployed pothead’s morals are the last thing on his mind. And that’s not an insult, it’s honesty from a former pothead. Which leads us to …

    First things fucking last: Daley did something bad AND treated Dana like shit instead of showing immediate remorse. You don’t shit on the guys who hired you. Period. Dana backed up Rampage and he killed a baby with a monster truck. That proves you have to at least wait a few months before you shit on him.

  • Grass Hoppa says:


    i like listening to you on the podcasts, i rarely agree with your point of view, but it’s always an enteraining show to listen to. You have a good vibe going with the other guys on those podcasts.


    I am a big fan of constructive posts. If you expect people to come here and read the site, spouting negative garbage for an entire post will not encourage people to keep reading.

  • Carcass says:

    I’d punch Josh Koscheck in the junk even without him laying on top of me for 15 minutes beforehand.

  • Blackula Jonez says:

    Seeing as how the top guys at welterweight in the UFC will lead to more and more grapple heavy decisions, Zuffa may recant their perma ban in the hopes of perpetuating the myth of Daley being this elite striker who despite being one dimensional is a top tier contender.

    I dislike Semtex more for him going for a takedown in the last 10 seconds of his fight with Masvidal after going on his “wrestling is ruining MMA” rant.

    Strikeforce should be renamed Crumbsnatchers for the way they feast on the debris from Zuffas smorgasbord of fighters.

    At the end of the day Dana’s permaban of Daley just looks bush league.

    In other big boy sports (NBA, NFL, MLB) your punishment for bad behavior is to first be held responsible by the government if the offense warrants it. Then you are hit with ol’ one-two of sports adjudication: A hefty fine and suspension.

    NFL players have killed people and gotten off easier, where was the public outrage at Donte Stallworth’s drunken murder of a father and husband.

  • pewnt says:

    Barnett – At the very least make him get licensed before you start pushing him. It was the CSAC who denied him a license, and Cali is where most of Strikeforce’s cards take place. THIS WAS HIS THIRD POSITIVE!!!!!! THIRD.

    Daley – He got off light for the Kos assault. He is lucky that no damage was done with the strike, or charges could have been laid regardless of what Kos/UFC wanted. Coming off the CBS fight, Strikeforce would have been smart to shy away from Daley. Give him a year, or two in smaller org’s. Prove that the Kos fight was a one time mistake.

    I’m with Subo on this one.

    Gilbert Yvel – He made his mistakes several YEARS ago, not MONTHS. He has proven that he has grown up.

    Carwin (never tested positive by a commission), Franca, and Bonner have not tested positive three times, and striped of a title for 3 PED’s in his system.

  • DJ ThunderElbows says:

    There are millions more eyes and far more media institutions watching and pontificating over/on it than MMA. Also, this ain’t a handegg blog/community.

  • Omomatta says:

    “back when people as dumb as me”

    I didn’t know you had any peers…

  • FiveBoltMain says:

    BJ, NFL fans are stupid, plain and simple. They don’t care if you kill some one as long as you get them lots of points in their fantasy league or make the playoffs. We, MMA fans, take our sport very serious and get our panties in a knot when a douche is allowed to fight in the big leagues.

  • DaddyPants says:

    you hit the nail right on the head. MMA fans have higher standards then the hardcore fans of other sports, and we take shit (like cheating) much more personally.

  • Carcass says:

    ‘get our panties in a knot when a douche is allowed to fight in the big leagues.’

    What, like Josh Koscheck?

  • glassjawsh says:

    lol @ ge0ffrey and clint

    @ subo – this is a more appropriate description of your rant-

  • subo says:

    what pewnt said. These two are unique examples.

    Also, taking roids before you punch someone is way different than taking roids before you hit a baseball.

  • subo says:

    Rod – would you seriously censor yourself to get credentialed? If so, then you’re a wee bit different than I thought you were. Blame SF for being whiny bitches that can’t take criticism, not me for speaking my mind.

  • Makinal says:

    i wonder if when sherdog post a piece like this against the ufc gets the same heat… my guess? they dont

  • Schrute Boxe says:

    Like I said, Maiquel Falcao, a dude who shook the ref off his back after he called the fight and continued to wail on his downed opponent, will be fighting at UFC 123.

    And he has a history of doing that.

  • Strike Witch says:

    who cares about any of this shit fighters are dumb

  • mcelly says:

    Strikeforce = The Cincinnati Bengals of MMA

  • Sheps says:

    I knew this post would come from either Subo or Clint, the two asshats of Fight Linker.

    These guys are always crying about something. Go spread your moral bullshit at Bloody Elbow please. Daley is a top ranked welterweight.

    It’s funny, Daley does one little thing and Subo cries like a bitch. Josh Barnett, the most roided fighter in the sport, gets signed to Strikeforce and he doesn’t batter an eyelid despite the fact that he has been caught CHEATING how many times.

    Subo keep your whiny rhetoric to yourself PURLEASE!

  • fish tacos says:

    Fuck sanitized mma. Let the monsters fight.

    My fantasy MMA match: Tank Abbot vs Subo

  • DJ ThunderElbows says:

    Actually Sheps, while your intent is spot-on – I believe he’s been bitching about Barnett over at BE. He was even bitching about that when Fedor was suggesting him instead of Ubereem.

    You’ll always have a special place in my black and empty Jackal heart because my Evil cousin’s called Shep.

  • mamoru says:

    “Like I said, Maiquel Falcao, a dude who shook the ref off his back after he called the fight and continued to wail on his downed opponent, will be fighting at UFC 123.

    And he has a history of doing that.”

    So did Gomi, in the first fight against Azaredo.
    Jeremy Horn spit on a guy, Renzo Gracie stepped on Ben Spijker’s neck, there are a lot of people in the sport that do dumb shit.

    None of these things make strikeforce any less of a shitty promotion though.

  • Reverend Clint says:

    mamoru has a good point… lots of fighter do stupid stuff. Many fighters like Gomi did crazy shit but were never held accountable either because it was during the relative dark ages before MMA went mainstream or before rampant blogging became popular. Also shep you are a fucking idiot… how is daley a top welterweight? Yeha maybe in impact or shark fights. After he lost to kscheck and began fighting random guys for nothing organizations he has dropped off the WW top ten list.

  • kwagnuth says:

    I can’t wait til they sign Batista cuz him against Lashley would be awsome. Too bad Lashley already lost though.

  • subo says:

    mcellis – the Bengals went to the playoffs last year. They’re more like the Browns (sheds a tear for Cleveland)

    And yes I’ve hated Josh Barnett for a long, long time

  • Blackula Jonez says:

    how dare you besmirch my bengals, at least they made it to the playoffs last year as opposed to the fucking doo-doo browns who lost to fucking Detroit.


  • Blackula Jonez says:

    …just realized the bengals/strikeforce analogy was the END of the first page and that Subo already defended cincinatti’s honor.

    Sorry for the outburst, still sore over last weeks rape in Boston.

  • arep52 says:

    lol like i give a fuck what you think of strikeforce

  • P W says:

    I’m finding myself visiting Fightlinker less and less often. The reason? Posts like this one.

    Edit: Ahhh! What happened to my spaceman?!

  • Márcio says:

    Another big steaming pile of shit brought to you by subo. Fightlinker is always talking shit but you guys are a bunch of softies, giving subo a platform to write is like giving Kyle Maynard a place to fight. I applaud you.

  • vyapaar says:

    1 shitty artlicle every 3 days…..random gifs of fighters or girls…….post about taking day off because system is upgrading or traveling to some other shit place….then another shitty article with retarded point of view and fucked up opinions…then another cycle of gifs and day off…..

    Life of Fightlinker blogging website. Good Job

  • DJ ThunderElbows says:

    As always, the parasites come out to complain when Ryan’s away, but never to support him when he does put in work here. Bravo turds. Bravo.

  • YEAH RIGHT says:

    Did you change the article subo? I know the title changed, but im hungover and dont feel like reading it.

  • Letibleu says:

    I hung out with Barnett for a bit in Vegas. I asked about steroid use without asking him about his own use. He said he cannot talk for everybody but that it was fairly common to take certain substances to help the body heal from small injuries that occur in everyday MMA training. I was getting the impression he was kinda talking about himself without saying it but that is just speculation. He was very generous with his time with all the fans (this is at a UFC event…). He was not shy to answer questions and came across as very humble and well spoken. I am a fan only because I managed to forgive him for murdering UFC’s unwanted gimp MMA child in what was called Affliction.


  • Reverend Clint says:

    I changed the title for various reasons concerning a new deal in the works… very hush hush

  • subo says:

    What DJ said – and it’s always the usual suspects that come out to defend this corrupt, misrun, ugly, stupid piece of shit organization.

  • Grappo says:

    “and it’s always the usual suspects that come out to defend this corrupt, misrun, ugly, stupid piece of shit organization.”


    It’s always the same people that come out to attack my biased, inflammatory, borderline troll-job, ugly, stupid piece of shit articles.

    I’d throw “misrun” in there too, but it’s never the proper word to use unless you’re talking about metallurgy.

  • mamoru says:

    Now they’re giving another fighter coming off a loss a shot at a title.
    Coenen is fighting for the 135 pound belt after getting her ass beat by Cyborg.

    How is SF constantly giving people coming off losses shots at their titles allright? Come on, apologists, you must have some kind of justification for this shit, surely.

  • 32hunter says:

    they only have 2-3 good fighters in every weight class?

  • mmariusp says:

    It’s always the same people that come out to attack my biased, inflammatory, borderline troll-job, ugly, stupid piece of shit articles

    that one and the Kyle maynard comment was spot on!

  • mamoru says:

    “they only have 2-3 good fighters in every weight class?”
    That’d be a better excuse if they didn’t just have a fucking tournament to find a challenger, no?
    Also, they have like 100 people under contract.
    If they all suck, who the fuck’s fault is that?
    Can’t really blame zuffa signing all the talent SF are too fucking incompetent to find on their own, not in any of the women’s divisions.

  • Blackula Jonez says:

    People want to complain about Coenen and Rodgers getting title shots after losing.

    WTF about, BJ, Shogun and Sonnen getting title shots. You can make an argument about BJ and Shogun because they went to decision, but Sonnen got fucking finished.

    The only reason for Silva vs Sonnen 2 is $$$.

    Also it looks like Sonnen pissed hot.

    MMA shitstorm on the horizon.

  • mamoru says:

    Rematches after really close title fights is hardly the same thing, now is it?
    Silva/Sonnen 2 was dumb, but a lot of fans probably wanted to see it,
    and BJ/Edgar and Shogun/Machida were both close enough that doing an immediate rematch.

    And again, how dumb the UFC are is not really a good excuse for SF, now is it? Nothing but strawmen up in this bitch, it’s getting pathetic.

    Oh, and I forgot to mention earlier, Coenen is not just coming off a loss, she’s never had a single fight in the division she’s getting the shot in.

    Fuck strikeforce.

  • Blackula Jonez says:

    For the record I am not defending SF as much as I am trying to point out that mma organizations do whatever is good for their bottom line.

    Thats why guys like Kimbo Slice and James Toney get to fight in the UFC and people like Gina Carano have weight divisions made up for them in Strikeforce.

    Back on the Sonnen pissing hot for ufc 117, in retrospect wasn’t it funny that the CSAC drug test took over a month to be made public, usually that shit gets released the following week. Hats off to Zuffas damage control team.

    Are we going to get another “Cheaters” post from Clint and Subo like we did from Strikeforce: Houston “Oxygen-gate” non story? Time to show your integrity boys don’t just wail on Sonnen, why did this take so long to be made public?

  • Reverend Clint says:

    blackula and mamuro the reason for Sonnen/Silva 2 was because Chael raped Anderson for like 90% of the fight. Sure Chael got subbed but still 90% of a fight being completely controlled by 1 fighter is pretty amazing considering the fighter being controlled is considered the best fighter in the world.

  • DJ ThunderElbows says:

    Sure Chael got subbed but still 90% of a fight being completely controlled by 1 muffling ground-control fighter who takes few risks standing is pretty amazing considering the fighter being controlled is considered the best stand-up striking fighter in the world.