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Doug Crosby doesn’t really explain 50-45 score

Doug Crosby, he of the 50-45 Frankie scorecard, is back from the Middle East and stirring things up over at the Underground forums. After waxing philosophical about whether to deign us with an explanation for how he called all five rounds for Frankie Edgar, Crosby finally cut to the chase and offered some generalities on the subject of the scoring. Here’s his final series of posts from the thread:

I’ve mentioned numerous times on other threads that the scoring criteria exist for a reason, just like the 10-point “must” system exists for a reason; and that the scoring criteria are guidelines within which Judges arrive at a decision on a round-by-round basis.

It is a Judge’s obligation to interpret the fight and use the criteria as guidelines. But a fight is an observed event that does require interpretation, observation, wisdom.

And, in my considered opinion, Edgar dictated the tone of the fight, successfully implemented and executed a strategy, landed better strikes, and basically outworked Penn.

And that is an interpretation by a ringside observer with an understanding and appreciation of MMA, who has Judged numerous (hundreds) of fights.

I re-watched the fight in my hotel in Abu Dhabi and saw nothing that would influence me to score it any differently.

I support and encourage your right to criticize my scoring. And I forgive you for your attacks of both a professional, and, regrettably, personal nature.

But keep this entire thread available and read it once in awhile. Watch what happens when reason fails. Observe how kindness and fairness can engender blind fury and impotent rage.

But also notice that there are people who respectfully ask you important questions; good people, who care a great deal about MMA, and have a right to be heard. People who understand and appreciate MMA, and who might not always agree with you.

They can become very passionate, and occasionally wrathful. Which is VERY different from the blind rage and impotent fury I described (and some posters displayed). But you, as a Judge, are accountable to them for your scores.

For many, a simple, elegant explanation will suffice. For others, only a technical treatise with mountains of data will do. For others, nothing will suffice.

I will continue my Judging Seminar again in the near future.

Until then, Class is dismissed.


The closest he ever comes to defending his scoring of round 1 (which is basically the round everyone agrees BJ won) is agreeing with another person who said 50-45 doesn’t mean Edgar blew Penn away, it just means he edged Penn in every round. Yes, I think we all understand how the 10 point must system works / unfortunately doesn’t work. We want to know how Crosby saw the fight. Coming onto an internet forum after that and acting like Sir Edingsworth Douchefellow III wasn’t all that productive. Some understanding of how he saw aggression and octagon control play out might have been.