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Douchaway talks about the tap

If you thought CB Dollaway was going to be gracious in defeat, then as he would say, “you don’t know CB Dollaway!” Here’s his words regarding the tap:

“With the tap, I didn’t fully commit to the tap, but I did hit him once,” said the Tempe, Ariz. native.   “I guess they ruled that a tap.   I thought you had to go on and start tapping out.   I did hit him once.   Right as I did that, I felt my arm get into a position where I could get out.   At that point Herb (Dean) ruled it as a tap out.”

So let me get this straight … CB admits that he decided to tap. Admits that he tapped once. Then doesn’t agree with the stoppage. Riiiiight.

There’s a lot of CB Dollaway fans out there trying to raise some kind of stupid stink about this stoppage, like there’s any merit to it at all. For full disclosure, I’m going to admit right now that I fucking hate Dollaway (shocking, huh?). But if it had been him with the armbar and Amir (who I loves so muches) who had tapped, I would still be sitting here in my underwear on Monday morning eating Cheetos for breakfast and arguing the same thing: the loser tapped, the stop was justified, and the people complaining about it need to stop blaming Herb Dean and start blaming CB for sucking.

  • Omomatta says:

    F Dollaway. F him in the A with a big rubber D!

  • Jemaleddin says:

    Again: most people are trained that “A tap” is 3 taps. So he’s right and he’s wrong. I, for one, can’t imagine that after letting go of his left arm with his right hand (in order to tap) that he was going to get his arm out of that armbar.

  • Trol says:

    One tap is all it takes and he obviously tapped. His lack of balls got him in the end. He tapped way to early to be giving up on a fight that would be that important to him. He may have had a chance to work his way out of it but he tapped almost immediately.

  • Tertio says:

    He tapped. Then acted like a big fucking crybaby.

    Debates over.

  • Carcass says:

    Fuck all this ‘3 taps’ bullshit. If the ref is on his knees, about a foot away from you, watching closely, you KNOW that he’s looking to stop the fight. If you even give the slightest indication that you want out, that’s it, fight over. No-one’s fault but his own. One tap = out, in my books. Herb Dean was right on top of it, saw the tap and stopped the fight to protect the guy who tapped out. Where exactly did he make a mistake?

  • Jemaleddin says:

    I’m not saying anyone made a mistake – just that as a young and relatively green fighter, his training may have made him think he could sorta ease into tapping. He was wrong, which I think I made clear, but may have had a reason to be wrong.

  • cyph says:

    You’re either hurt or you aren’t. If you’re hurt enough to tap, then there’s absolutely no reason why the pain would lessen for you unless the other fighter eased up because you tapped.

    This proves one other point. CB is a bitch who taps at the first sign of trouble considering that he himself stated the arm bar was not “locked” in tightly. I’ll break it down:

    CB: Amazing raw talent, stupid fighter, no chin, can’t handle pain, get submitted the same way twice after being gifted the finale by the benevolent (or malevolent if you’re Jesse Taylor) Dana White. Dude, you got a free warm up fight and then proceeded to get beat the SAME way again but only faster?

    Amir: Amazing raw talent, less experienced but smarter fighter, great chin, apparently can handle pain, and doesn’t stick his limbs for others to bend or break

  • It hasn’t been a specific number of taps for like 8 or 9 years. That rule was around back in the day when refs didn’t know what the fuck they were doing. Unified rules don’t specify a number, and it would be insanity to require it be a specific number

  • Fightlinker Jackal says:

    What Omomatta said….

  • MMAStation says:

    I was pissed when I saw his face and the faces he was making after the tap. I was yelling at my buddy about how much of an ass he was.

  • mike o says:

    In sakuraba vs royce gracie 1, sakuraba tapped twice in a position where he was not about to be submitted. asked about it later, he said that he was trying to fake out royce, knowing that it takes 3 taps for it to be an official submission.

    IF there is a set number of taps, people can use it as a fakeout to try to get out of a submission. further, it means that fighters stand more of a risk of getting hurt. further, randy spanking titos ass could be considered a tap out if the rules were literal.

    So, my point is that it has to be the referees call when a fighter has submitted, not a literal interpretation.

  • Mike_N says:

    Someone made an interesting observation–and I don’t know whether it was on the forums here or not: Was CB so convinced that the first armbar was a fluke that he didn’t spend a lot of time worrying about armbar defense leading up to the second fight?

    And in a “life imitating art ” moment, CB looks a lot like Atom when he’s not flaring those Jagger lips.

  • Xavier says:

    “There’s a lot of CB Dollaway fans out there”

    For the sake of my opinion regarding the world, I choose not to believe this. The world surely can’t be that awful.

  • Hammer says:

    Only in MMA would the debate be what constitutes someone quitting. One tap? The fake out tap? Come on. Butt Lips tapped and then realized oooops…. Maybe I could of toughed that one out.. He panicked and lost.
    Mr. Ed will fight again, and hopefully the diapers will be off and he wont be so quick to tap.. That mouth of his pisses me off more than anything. Is there lip reductions??? He looks like a slapped jawwed faggot…

  • zeke says:

    Nobody seems to remember that Jason MacDonald “tapped” against Doerkson, changed his mind and got out of it. The stoppage was somewhat justified, seeing as how close to the action the ref was but CB has the right to be a little frustrated with the situation. He may have been able to get out of it.

  • Chuck says:

    It’s good that they stopped it after one tap. The way CB describes it is that Amir eased up after the tap because he thought it was over and that gave CB a chance to escape. That’s like saying “I give up!” and then you go and fake a high five and cold cock your opponent when he’s not ready. Sorry CB, it doesn’t work that way. Herb Dean was right.

  • Chuck says:

    Um, it’s “slack” jawed faggot. But your way works too if you prefer.

  • dignan says:

    “I don’t understand. I tapped a little, and than I felt like I could get my arm out.”

    The ref made him let go fucker.

  • Hammer says:

    If the ref did not stop it and dude got a broken arm, would that be a better result?? For those that think he tapped too quick, I guess the solution is do away with tapping out altogether and you either get your arm broken or you go to sleep. No controversy then

  • Hammer says:

    Sorry, I cant get into the fake tap thing.. It seems like the worst and least honorable way out of a bad situation.

  • Hammer says:

    If no one is sure whether someone is tapping or faking it, there will be a lot of broken limbs and guys going to sleep. Who is going to take the chance of letting someone go only to realize it was a boy crying wolf.

  • Fatal Error says:

    I’ve seen a few fights where guys have tapped once and the fight hasn’t been stopped. To me, it looked like he lost his grip on his trapped arm, and that’s when his right hand came up. Then, he tapped once and felt a change in pressure on the elbow. Herb Dean jumped in and stopped the fight.

    Basically, CB needs to work on his sub defense, commit to getting his arm broken if he wants to avoid premature stoppages, and get plastic surgery to have his mouth put on right side up.

  • dignan says:

    Fatal Error:

    He admitted he tapped.

  • Steve says:

    One tap, two taps, three taps, it doesn’t matter. If the red thinks the fighter is in danger of being seriously injured, he can stop the fight without any kind of tapout.

    That armbar was as deep as they get and Herb was about a half-second away from stopping that shit himself. CB’s half-tap merely solidified his resolve to stop the fight.

  • Hammer says:

    Lots of action this weekend. MMA and Boxing. The winner of best action and talent in terms of headline events. Boxing. Miranda/Abraham.. No tapping out there..

  • Joon4s says:

    This is the best comment I found from teh interwebs: “CB didn’t tap. CB was giving CB a self high five, but CB missed.”

  • kentyman says:

    I think we should all be focusing on the fact that Herb Dean did an amazing job reffing for the first time in a while. Let’s hope it continues.

  • Steve says:

    #27 – I disagree. Herb does a great job 98% of the time, but the 2% of the time he screws up it gets completely blown out of proportion.

  • I agree..

    Herb Dean is an excellent ref and is trusted by many organizations to referee their bouts..

  • Jemaleddin says:

    @fightlinker: “It hasn’t been a specific number of taps for like 8 or 9 years.”

    Yes, but some BJJ places still train that way. Hell, I was just watching some stupid TV show where they specifically said 3 taps – must have been either Fight Science:MMA or Iron Ring. Dunno.

    There’s a line of reasoning that allows for both the fact that a) the dude is a dumb-ass and b) he didn’t mean to tap. I’m not saying it should be a particular way, just that he legitimately could have thought he was allowed to back out of a single tap. HE WAS WRONG, but his wrongness may be confusion with the rules instead of being a poor sport about losing. (Or both, I guess.)

    What I wish had happened is that he would have tried slamming Amir with his trapped arm like the guy on Iron Ring who broke/dislocated his damn arm in the process. EPIC FAIL.

  • CB definitely tapped, and his arm was definitely going to be broken if he didn’t. Herb Dean doesn’t even need to see a tap to stop the fight (Frank Mir vs. Tim Sylvia?)

    However, remember Randy Couture spanking Tito Ortiz on the ass 3 times?

  • Hammer says:

    I think Lesner tapped Mir on the ass about 10 times before he got out of it.. I dont think it was the good ol slap on the ass for effort either.

  • Roo says:

    It’s ridiculous how whiny CB is being about this. One tap is just as telling as two, so where’s his issue? It’s like he’s purposely casting doubt on Amir’s abilities which is petty. This isn’t like Season 5 when Nate Diaz only won because Manny Gamburiyan’s shoulder popped out of socket. Amir had a legit win, his second in the same fashion over CB, and whining about being submitted just makes me lose respect for CB.

  • kwagnuth says:

    Before the fight they showed CB partying at poolside with his freinds in somebody’s back yard then they show Amir still living at home with his parents because he couldn’t afford to train and pay bills. I think it is obvious who wanted it more and who needed it more. CB looks like he comes from a wealthy family and he behaved like a spoiled brat after his loss.

  • Hammer says:

    Get caught once in a submission ok. Get caught twice, by the same guy, in the same way. Shame on Butt Lips for not learning from his mistake and for pouting those butt lips.. Did I mention he has big lips??? Herb Dean did a good job. CB didn’t.

  • P W says:

    I’m surprised no one has mentioned CB’s lips yet! What’s up with those… things?! I hope someday someone bust them open with knee to the face!

  • kentyman says:

    And did you see those things under his nose?