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Brock shall return

In Brock Lesnar’s seventh MMA bout, he lost his second.  He lost to an undefeated Cain Velasquez that put on an amazing performance.  I’m of the opinion that the stoppage was quick – if rolling away from an opponent to avoid punches while simultaneously blocking with one arm and attempting to create distance to the other, I don’t know what is.  I thought Cain was given an early stoppage against Rothwell, too – the man was being brutalized but literally stood up to his feet as Maz came in to waive Cain off – but that’s not what I’m choosing to focus on here.  Brock is now 5-2, and Cain Velasquez is the #1 heavyweight in the world.

I’m watching the Chicago-Washington game right now, and Jay Cutler is being Jay Cutler.  He’s talented, young and has a cannon for an arm, but he makes stupid decisions all the time and has been throwing picks left and right.  It’s been like that for the extent of his NFL career, and yet fans haven’t said that he’s done or he’ll never learn or he’ll never get better.  Why?  Because it’s an insanely asinine and stupid thing to do.

Fighters evolve.  Given physical tools and the desire to improve, athletes have shown the capacity to learn new skills, address previous weaknesses and excel anew.  Randy Couture was buried after his second loss to Chuck Liddell, only to come back and recapture the heavyweight belt (and even defend it as an underdog to Gonzaga).  Brock Lesnar has definitively shown that he has both the attributes necessary to compete in the highest levels of MMA and the desire necessary to utilize them – remember that this is a man that isn’t fighting to feed his kids or pay alimony.  Lesnar has all the money in the world if he wants to hang up his gloves and not get punched in the face anymore.  He does this because he enjoys it.  He’ll continue to do this because he enjoys it.

This was the first camp Brock had trained with a boxing coach.  Read that again.  He came right at Cain as soon as the fight began, at no point exhibiting the kind of response to punches (and, more importantly, the prospect of being punched) that he showed against Carwin.  He landed some punches, stayed in the pocket until wobbled, scored a takedown and recovered from a takedown.  Cain Velasquez is a fucking monster and he beat Brock Lesnar last night.  That is the extent of what we know.  Everything else – Brock’s heart, Junior’s chances – is speculation.  I think speculating that Brock Lesnar is a pussy is much more reflective of those leveling the charge than it is of Brock Lesnar.

One loss does not a career define.  Brock is now 5-2, with wins over two UFC HW champions (three if you could Carwin’s interim belt) and losses to two UFC HW champions.  Bury his future at heavyweight at your own peril.

Update: Since it’s pretty much me against the world (read: Internet MMA blog commenters) on this one, a little show that I’m not depressed from Gordo.

  • YEAH RIGHT says:

    Just stop subo. I’ll try to overlook how poorly written this was. No one intelligent is saying Brock is done. No one is saying he is not talented-beause he just maybe the most physically gifted athlete in mma.

    But the man cannot take a punch. He just can’t. And you can try to defend his frantic running away by saying it was his way of “avoiding damage,” but its not. It was him running away because he couldn’t take getting hit. He does not have a fighters heart, he crumbles. Some people can take a punch, some can’t. And its not really something you can learn either. All the skill and learning and the world wont help that.

    Brock can still learn a lot and gain much more skill, but without the ability to be able to take and react to a punch he can’t be a champion.

    Just admit it. And admit this card was crap. I love the UFC, but they don’t always put on the best card, admit it!

  • Zurich says:

    I don’t really agree with you. Brock turtled up for a third of the fight, getting wailed on by a man with 2300lbs of punching force (note the punches were getting through the forearms). Also, Brock crumbled as soon as he started getting punched in the face. Same deal as with Carwin. With all his physical gifts, he really should have done better. That suggests its his heart that is lacking. Will he be back? Sure, against Mir for an easy paycheque, then its anyone’s guess. No one has seized on Dana’s comment that he and Brock “have been fighting for a month and a half”…

  • subo says:

    Most fighters have been punched in the face full force hundreds of times in amateur/professional MMA bouts before they sniff a UFC title. Brock’s entire MMA career encompasses all of three years. To say that he can’t take a punch when he’s never been knocked out and ate Shane Carwin’s best GNP (the same Shane Carwin that was, like Cain, undefeated going into their bout – Lesnar goes 1-1 against undefeated monsters and he “can’t take a punch” and “his heart… is lacking”) is laughable.

    Enjoy the loss. Really. He’s not the champ anymore, he’s not unbeatable and he’s not invincible. He’s also not done and was not a creation of the promoter. He’d still skullfuck Fedor and brutalize Werdum and deroidify Barnett.

  • YEAH RIGHT says:

    ^Alistair would send him crying. And if fedor landed an overhand right on his cry baby ass face he would probably die.

  • Tanhauser says:

    Watched the fight a couple times, with and without sound.

    When it was stopped brock went from full fetal, to pushing off to his left to lay on his side. He wasn’t fighting back other than trying to roll to his left.

    Herb was telling him to fight back and he stuck his hand in the air, all the while Cain was zeroing in on that cut.

    If you ask me that dumb fuck rosenthal is to blame.

    Cain knew he had to destroy Brock to get a stoppage and wasn’t gonna stop until he got it.

  • Tanhauser says:

    Subo – You gotta be joking. Fedor would have no problem with his wrestling because honestly it kind of sucks. He could barely out wrestler couture and used the cage to keep from being taken down by a 50 year old man.

    Fedor would knock his fucking head into Bruce Buffers lap.

    Sorry man, but all this talk about him being a freak force of nature is officially over.

    Brock is 85 percent hype, undeveloped, and not a real fighter. He only looks good when he can bully somebody like Mir who has no wrestling at all.

    Actually, that’s the only fight he’s looked good in at all.

    If you continue to push the idea that he’s better than Fedor you don’t deserve the right to call yourself an mma expert.

  • Tanhauser says:

    Brock can take a punch, he just can’t react, fight back, or even walk straight while being punched.

    He’s tough, but he’s not a fighter.

    Carwin did hit him hard, and he didn’t put him out. True.

    But he still looked like shit and couldn’t do anything to Carwin in the meantime until Carwin fell to pieces.

  • thingvolds says:

    brock sucks, always has. none of his wins are impressive. he hasnt shown any technique in his fights that you couldnt learn from watching a couple dvds. he trains a couple hours a day, and with guys who are not exactly what you would call elite. he is 33 and still has bad boxing, zero footwork, zero guard, zero hips, zero kicks, etc. big, strong, quick guy. good athlete. not a fighter.

  • Jim says:

    Tell you what I know.
    1) Brock can keep with the pace of Cain Velasquez for about 2 minutes, then he starts to gas.
    2) Once Brock starts gassing, it takes Cain about 2 minutes to fuck him up.

  • subo says:

    I’m sure that Brock’s gameplan was not to get into a war of attrition and attempt to follow quickly. He SPRINTED into Cain’s wheelhouse and didn’t leave until he was knocked silly. 1-1 against undefeated monsters since being diagnosed with diverticulitis and not fighting for a year. Some bum.

    He locked in an arm triangle from half guard and transitioned to mount, then side control, in about ten seconds. Learned that from a DVD, I betcha.

    Rolling to your left while blocking and responding to the ref’s commands = intelligent defense. And remember that Brock, and every other fighter, can tap to strikes at any point. To say he doesn’t have heart is just stupid.

  • LowelltheHammer says:

    Brock trained with Peter Welch for the Carwin fight too. So not only is this piece poorly written and full of faulty logic (which has quickly become your trademark) but it’s also factually inaccurate.

    And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

  • Tanhauser says:

    JIm – your comment wins.

    His game plan was terrible, and when it failed he didn’t have a backup plan.

    Anyway, I thought now that he was cured of diverticulitis he got upgraded from 60 percent to 110 percent?

    It was a modified wrestling choke… not some fancy BJJ move. He admitted that himself. And yeah anybody could learn that from a DVD on a practice dummy, which is what Carwin was.

    Throwing a limb out in no particular direction while a guy turns your face into hamburger is not intelligent defense.

    He needs a vast step DOWN in competition or he’s gonna get hurt.

  • subo says:

    I look forward to Brock’s next reign as champion after JDS dispatches Cain.

  • zeke says:

    “Stop, stop, stop!”

    – Brock Lesnar

    Early stoppage, my ass. The man was yelling stop. Cain fucking raped him. Brock Lesnar is one big myth. His takedowns, top control, power, chin, and heart… they’re all totally exaggerated. If he decides to stick with MMA he’ll have a lot more losses on his record. He’s no better than Pudzianowski.

    Tim Sylvia would beat this coward, let alone Fedor.

  • Márcio says:

    I tried to read this exposé on man love by a butthurt troll but halfway through it all that kept coming to my head was this…

  • zeke says:

    I never use the word exposed but that was probably the best example of a fighter getting exposed. What a complete chicken. The people that I was watching the fight with were literally going “WTF?!?! What a complete bitch!” as he was twirling, stumbling, and rolling with a big grimace on his face. Brock Lesnar = Pudzianowski = Bob Sapp. None of them have any heart.

  • mmariusp says:

    So you can´t imagine Fedor do to Brock, What Cain did last night?
    I sure can, By all means Brock Lesnar is legit and a really good HW, he proved that against Mir the second time and semented it against Carvin, but his defence is terrible and he reacts really ackward when getting hit (everybody does but Lesnar is in his own class)

    Lesnar is not the monster the UFC fanboys thought he were and Fedor wasn´t unbeatable either, but nobody knows who the worlds best HW at this time.

  • Márcio says:

    There’s only 3 contenders for the title of best heavyweight: Cain, Fedor and Overeem…I know that Overeem hasn’t fought top competition but his striking has gotten sick in the last few years and he’s a beast, I would love to see Overeem in the cage against Brock, after the first punch Brock would literaly crap his shorts.

  • thingvolds says:

    “He locked in an arm triangle from half guard and transitioned to mount, then side control, in about ten seconds.”

    he did this on what was basically a corpse that offered no resistance whatsover.

    “Learned that from a DVD, I betcha.”

    you could easily learn that from seeing it on a dvd. half the bbs walking around in the usa today learned the basics from the kukuk/renzo tape set.

    getting head and arm control then hopping across to put weight on it isnt exactly rocket science.

  • subo says:

    So wait, the guy that choked out Fedor in just over a minute isn’t in consideration, but Fedor is? How about the guy that knocked out that guy?

    Beating Brett Rogers gets you in the conversation?

  • zeke says:

    Subo is such a dumbass. Nobody said #1 ranked HW. Fedor may not be ranked above Werdum but anybody with half a brain knows that he’s the far better fighter. Just like anybody with half a brain knew that Cain was the vastly superior fighter leading into the Brock fight despite Brock, perfectly reasonably, being ranked above him.

  • Zurich says:

    I didn’t say Brock has no chin. I said he can’t maintain composure while getting punched in the face. That’s a huge roadblock to being a successful fighter. Getting over that is probably a mixture of natural propensity and training, and I think Brock falls short in both.

    In my six years of training martial arts, I’ve come across two types of people: the first are people who shut down after getting hurt – they generally stop coming to practice after a short while. People in the second group grin like a cheshire cat once they get hurt and then give it back twice as hard – these folks are in it for the long run because they thrive off the nummy brain chemicals. (I am most definitely in the second group – its not a satisfying practice unless I come out black and blue)

  • YEAH RIGHT says:

    Subo are you really attempting to discredit the greatest heaveyweight fighter of all time? Seriously? And to ignore Overeems skill set is retarded.

    And you loove to talk about his “slick” arm triangle. That one of the most basic submissions there is. Especially for wrestlers, jesus christs, there is really not much too it. And to make it even fucking worse, carwin was dead from exhaustion! Stop putting the pussy(brock) on a fucking pedestal.

  • zeke says:

    JDS, Overeem, and Cain are very much capable of beating Fedor but Brock isn’t even close. He’d get dummied like the big ol’ clumsy and unskilled brute that he is.

    1. Cain
    2. Overeem
    3. JDS
    4. Fedor

  • mmariusp says:

    I you should get some privileges whe you are 30-2 and just got cought in a submission by on the best Jiu Jitsu guys in the world, beeing 5-2 doesn´t, especially when you got dominated for 96% in your last two matches.

  • Márcio says:

    Werdum didn’t even train for that fight, everyone knows that, he was fat as fuck, JDS did good to take advantage of that but that’s it. As for Werdum not being in consideration, he might be after the rematch, the fact remains that I believe Fedor would beat Werdum 9 out of 10 times. Let’s wait for the rematch to see if I’m wrong.

  • LowelltheHammer says:

    “I look forward to Brock’s next reign as champion after JDS dispatches Cain.”

    So Lesnar is completely outclassed by Cain in every facet of the game, but JDS would beat Cain and lose to Lesnar? Brilliant. Even in defeat the Lesnar fanboys can’t stop sucking his balls long enough to form a rational thought.

  • zeke says:

    The Carwin/Brock fight was the biggest load of BS ever. Brock gets hit with a grazing uppercut and then literally runs and throws himself into the fetal position and “survives” by having Carwin unload on his forearms. This somehow shows everybody that he has a GREAT chin and INCREDIBLE heart!!!! Then he applies an arm-triangle on a man who was really nothing more than a grappling dummy at that point (“I had a full body cramp”) and whoa! He also has amazing new submission skills. Amazing!

    That Cain fight showed that his chin is average at best. And his heart is Sapp-esque. I dunno how anybody comes away from that fight seeing any kind of future for Brock. The guy is dun-dada, as Kimbo would say. Unless of course he gets Frank “I’m allergic to fists” Mir.

  • P W says:

    zeke: “This somehow shows everybody that he has a GREAT chin and INCREDIBLE heart!!!!”

    Don’t despair zeke, there are plenty of people who though Brock looked like shit against Carwin (sadly, for my gambling account, so did Carwin).

  • Del Fuego says:

    Lesnar can beat anyone he can hold down, and Cain Velasquez is a bad ass. The most impressive part was Cain getting right back up when Brock took him down. I am looking forward to seeing both of these guys fight again.

  • Razzle says:

    The bloggers are retarded. It’s like shit is dribbling out of all of their mouths instead of analysis.

    I think Brock’s standup looked much better and He’s still a top 5 guy in the division. He does have holes in his game; he couldn’t maintain top control at all and he’s not a threat off of his back, but it was his 7th fight after all. He’s basically a talented prospect who’s fought all his fights at the top of cards.

    There’s 67 articles on that rag Bloody Elbow about how Brock’s drawing power will instantly evaporate because he’s no longer the champ, as if nobody wants to see what he does anymore. The internet sucks, I’ve always said that.

  • 32hunter says:

    Tim would easily destroy Brock.

  • Bleach says:

    So Brock now becomes a gatekeeper?

  • 32hunter says:

    Subo is either Stupid or a Troll. If you seriously can’t believe that Fedor is the Best HW in the world you’re fucking stupid. yes he hasn’t consistently fought the best guys but he was getting paid, that’s what the Japanese wanted, Fans and ownership. when Fedor fought the best he won and when he fought a top level guy in Verdum he got caught. so what? you’ve been watching this sport long enough to know that people get caught eventually there are too many ways to lose. the fact that he went 10 years undefeated says a lot.

    “One loss does not a career define” -Subo.

    only thing I agree with you on.

  • kwagnuth says:

    Is it still intelligent if your eyes are closed and you don’t even realize that the fight has been stopped. I guess he was still intelligently defending himself even after the fight was over and Caine was walking away.

    Skull fuck Fedor? Shit if Caine can make him crumble Fedor would finish him quicker than he did Tim.

  • GoldenArms says:

    so brock has twice as many losses as fedor in less than 1/4 of the fights?

    suck-a-dick subo

  • frickshun says:

    Subbo–> why do you feel it necessary to defend Brock? Like others have said, he’s a high level prospect & still developing. Only in the heayweight division can a guy like him become champ. Look @ Jones, he’s way more impressive & he still doesn’t get his shot.

    Also, Randy showed that Brock’s **MMA** rasslin is not equal to pure rasslin so the bloggers need to stop touting it as a weapon.

  • Symbul says:


    Arguing that the stoppage was premature? Jesus christ. This has to be a troll.

  • thingvolds says:

    this thread has turned into a nightmare for subo. he may never post again.

  • glassjawsh says:

    my message to subo:


    also this: cain>alistair>fedor>JDS>lesnar>werdum

  • YEAH RIGHT says:

    thingsvolds-you must be new here, this happens on every other post subo does.

  • subo says:

    This isn’t a nightmare – the Fedoristas have been silent for months now, since their hero is busy ducking Alistair. It took something like this to bring them out of the woodwork, that’s good enough for me.

    I’ll be ranking Brock in my top five, ahead of Fedor (Cain>Werdum), for USA Today this week. Whether or not he falls below Werdum is debatable, but probably.

  • NinjaCodah says:

    Geez, people are butthurt everywhere now.

    Cain totally beat brock.
    Brock is still a beast, no matter how much people now want to discredit his accomplishments.
    As long as Fedor remains in the irrelevant leagues, he’s irrelevant.
    When was Overeem’s last relevant MMA fight again?

  • Schrute Boxe says:

    eh some fighters just don’t like getting hit, and sometimes you learn to accept a punch with experience or sometimes you don’t at all

    i think the big “if” for brock is whether he’ll actually continue fighting as he has a fairly established habit of abruptly leaving his endeavours (professional wrestling, football) due to adversity/disinterest

  • xfreekx says:

    I think it’s weird people always mention that Brock only has 7 fights but fail to mention that Cain has only had 9.

  • zeke says:

    Brock literally begged Herb Dean to stop the fight. Literally.

    Rewatch it and you can hear him say “I can’t fight back. Stop, stop, stop!”

  • thingvolds says:

    yeah you can clearly hear someone yelling stop stop stop in the last few seconds.

  • Márcio says:

    He looked so relieved when Dean stopped the fight, I was waiting for Brock to jump on his lap and give him a kiss.

    By the way subo, I don’t consider myself a Fedorista, but I must say that if you consider me one (whatever that means) I’m fine with that, just don’t say that I’ve been silent, that’s not true, I make a point of commenting on your stupid posts to tell you how much you suck.

  • Grappo says:

    blah blah blah blah blahhhhhh

    That’s what the entire post read like after “I’m of the opinion that the stoppage was quick”

  • theinsaneoneJustinMcCully says:

    I think the post and everyone in this thread are equally retarded.

    “without the ability to be able to take and react to a punch he can’t be a champion.”
    retard, he was a champion

    “I’m of the opinion that the stoppage was quick”
    more retard garbage

    The list goes on…

    NinjaCodah had a couple of intelligent things to say, but also some retarded stuff.

  • GoldenArms says:

    go back to bloody elbow subo you troll

  • YEAH RIGHT says:

    ^Yeah man, you’re witty and cool because instead of taking a stand you just said everyone was ‘retarded.’ Yeah man, keep on keeping on! Screw presenting your own opinion, your too cool, man.

  • YEAH RIGHT says:

    whoops that wasnt towards you golden boy. It was for the gay one justin

  • Grass Hoppa says:

    Firstly, the stoppage wasn’t early. I have no idea how you can see that …. Even without hearing brock cry out “stop”.

    Secondly, the rothwell stoppage was miles too late. Trying to break your opponents fist with your face is not a defence. I don’t care if your still with it or not, if you have no answers to being totally controlled, immobolized and then getting hit in the face whenever your opponant wants to do it, thats it – fight over. I was watching the card that was on (shogun Machida 1 if i remember correctly) with people who have never seen MMA before. They were impressed and enjoyed alot of the fights, but that fight and the ref’s late stoppage made them view the sport as everything evil the mainstream media makes it out to be (yes, they still do that in Australia, it still isn’t legal in some states).

    Thirdly, “This was the first camp Brock had trained with a boxing coach” is not an impressive statement. For someone who is completely new to MMA and combat sports, EVERY SINGLE ONE of his training camps should have included a boxing coach, especially considering his weakness there.

    Fourth, anyone with a quarter of a brain is not thinking brock wont return. At the very least, lesnar’s pride would not allow giving up after a loss like that. He showed improvement again on his skills, something he has done every fight, and i give him credit for.

    But he is a bully. If he can’t be in total control, if he gets hit repeatly, he crumples.

    There are fighters, like chris leben, who will be losing, and keep moving forward, hands down, getting punched in the head repeatly, and still come forward, still try to make an offense, try to finish. I’m not saying he is intelligent in what he does, but he has the fighters MINDSET. He wants and welcomes the punishment for a chance to come out the champion.

    Then there are athletes, like brock lesnar, who lack that mindset altogether. Sometimes training can instill that mindset, sometimes it can’t. Brock will be back, i’m sure, and we will all see.

  • chim55 says:

    wow Subo, you are really gettin some SERIOUS abuse in here!!

    I actually agree with some of what you said, anyone who thinks Brock is over, or has no heart really need to stop and think rationally.

    As has been stated, this is a guy 7 fights in, most have nt even reached the UFC by 7 fights.

    Also, Brock, Cain, JDS and Carwin would all finish Fedor in one round.

    Overeem is the most jaw droppingly obvious case of doping in pro sports, so the hillarious irony is that all these fan boys who decry Brock as being a roided up fake wrestler all go wet in the pants for a second rate kick boxer rammed to the gills with HGH and testosterone and all the rest,

    Just have a look at some before and after photos of Overeem, and try to keep a straight face.

  • YEAH RIGHT says:

    ^Alistair Overeem was tested by the CSAC and came up clean. What more proof do you need?

    And did you seriously say second rate kickboxer? Alistair Overeem has the best striking in mixed martial arts. The dude is a beast in K-1. Let that sink in. Profession kickboxers are scared of him. He eats horse meat 7 times a day, literally. Try again.

  • iamphoenix says:

    I don’t feel like reading all the comments and this has probably been addressed…”One loss does not a career define.” I don’t know what that means, and this was a pretty stupid article defending Brock Lesnar as a preemptive defense against commentators…? Now I know who subo is. I wish I didn’t know how to read.

  • chim55 says:

    dude, if you have any level of intelligence you know that testing in MMA is a joke.

    Can you with a straight face tell me you think Overeem is clean?

    Yeah, I was trollin a tad with the “second rate kickboxer” line, I just wanted to make sure I got a response. lol

  • Letibleu says:

    I love it!

    This article and comments is like watching someone throw a steak into an over crowded pool of piranhas. Subo is doing the steak throwing and you guys are the punchline to the joke.

  • iamphoenix says:

    i don’t know about you but piranhas are the shit.

  • mmariusp says:

    I love how Subo is defending Lesnars ability to take a punch and the rest of his skill set by attacking Fedor.

    And how the hell can someone say that the stoppage was early?

    I think a good match-up to find out how “good” Lesnar are is either Gonzaga or Schaub actually.
    Maybe not the best from a money stand pointright now, but in the long run it would be better for both the UFC and Lesnar.

  • Makinal says:

    why the hell is fedor in the discussion? he is busy ducking alistair

    brock would improve and maybe would be champion again, he has to learn to take punches in the face

    a lot of brock’s aura was hype

    probably cigano would KO cain

    subo has some good points, other are just trolling

    fedor fanboys are just trollin

  • zeke says:

    Ah, so he’s just trolling us, eh Letibleu? Thank goodness.

    I’m glad nobody can be that stupid.

  • chim55 says:

    Is Hunt still with UFC?

    Maybe they ll feed him to Brock, as a guy with less than 10 fights, thats the sort of opposition he should be facing ideally at this juncture in his career.

    And about the steak and piranha line, it seems to me like Subo is the steak, and all these angry fanboys are the fanged fish!! And they all need to be quieter or they ll wake their parents up and get grounded.

    I dont know where the extreme hatred is coming from, but all this guy Subo did was have an opinion. How does that equate to all these death wishes?

  • mmariusp says:

    He expresses his opinions over and over and over again, off course people get mean, but it seems like he likes the attention and gets off on it.

  • dawgbone says:

    Can we please stop listing Overeem at or near the top of the rankings until he beats someone relevant? He’s won his last 8 decisions and his toughest opponent was Brett Rogers. Rogers is tough but when he’s the best guy you’ve beaten in the last 3 years that’s not saying much.

  • G Funk says:

    Seriously, I’m not a sub-oh “hater” but damn this was some bad writing…

  • Omomatta says:

    Listen Subo….I’ve been relatively supportive in the past. However, there is a fine line between feverishly attempting to be hated and mental retardation. This is making me question whether or not you can even wipe your ass properly. Enough is enough.

    And is everyone overlooking the fact that Brock looks like he’s shrinking? Did someone stop cycling?…..I think so.

  • Grappo says:

    Other than the flame-baiting on here, subo has been remarkably mum since the Lesnar loss.

    Which makes me want to see Brock bite it hard next time too.

  • says:

    It scares me to say this, but I’m with subo on this one. Some of the anti-Brock rhetoric coming from journalists, bloggers and Jackels have been pretty silly.

    1) How is Brock over-hyped? The man beat 2 top 10 HWs and a legend in the sport. Try to take anything away from what Brock has accomplished is the same as taking away from Fedor for not fighting in the UFC.

    2) As far as Lesnar not being a true fighter and can’t take a punch, these next-gen HWs are like walking concussion machines with lunch boxes at the ends of each hands. No one (I repeat *No One*) can stand and trade for more than a few shots without having the last six months of their memory erased (as Joe Rogan put it). Even though he was rocked in his last two fights, he showed tremendous ability to survive in both of them. The stoppage vs Cain was justified, but give Lesnar credit for scrambling and trying to defend himself where lesser men would have just given up. If that’s not a fighter, I don’t know what is.

    I get that a lot of people don’t like Lesnar and that’s fine, but that’s no reason to discredit what the man has accomplished in a very short amount of time.

  • X says:

    Brock is a bigger vagina than the one that Cain opened up on his face. I’m not kidding, that was probably the easiest fight Cain has had in his career. Lesnar has no stand-up and worst of all, no heart. He get’s punched in the face and acts like the other guy cheated or something, its really pathetic. Now, I see Cain as a 1 and done champion. The main reason is because JDS is better than Cain at everything, save wrestling. Now, I won’t guarantee that JDS will win, because Cain may prove to be a true Champ, but right now I see him out-classed by JDS.

  • P W says:

    “The man beat 2 top 10 HWs and a legend in the sport.”

    Hahaha, yeah, “legend in the sport” sounds MUCH better than 45 year old LHW. And to say that Brock BEAT Carwin is really stretching the truth. Brock was awarded the win with the help of the ref after Carwin beat himself.

  • subo says:

    That 45 year old LHW was the HW champion and coming off of back to back wins against Sylvia and Gonzaga.

    Did Rosenthal set Brock up for the arm triangle in the second round?

  • SST says:

    That’s Herb Dean saying, “Brock, You have to fight back. You have to fight back.”

    I don’t think it would have made a difference in the outcome of the fight, but I thought the stoppage was a little early.

  • Conseal says:

    This fight really exposed Lesnar. I think a lot of people thought he would have learned from his last fight. I mean even Marty Morgan was yelling at him after the first round for running away and turtling up. To be honest, I gave the edge to Lesnar on this one, thinking Cain would not have the power to finish him, as in his fight against Kongo, and considering how Brock survived Carwin. That math only worked on paper, and the big man paid for not being prepared.

    If Lesnar doesn’t make some very big changes to his training after this, I don’t think he’ll ever be at the top again.

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  • theinsaneoneJustinMcCully says:

    Hmmm…More intelligent comments have been popping up since calling everyone retards. Worked great again.

  • Grass Hoppa says:

    Just because Couture is so damn good he has beaten heavyweights (who were at the starts of big long downward slides) doesn’t make him a true heavyweight.

    And Carwin set himself up for that arm triangle. The idiot actually put his own arm across the back of lesnars head! He was just a breathing crash test dummy at that point, jesus he was having trouble standing upright, he practically fell over instead of being taken down.

  • P W says:

    Subo: “Did Rosenthal set Brock up for the arm triangle in the second round?”

    Rosenthal saved Brock in the first round, and Carwin set himself up for a submission in the second by gassing so hard.

    “That 45 year old LHW was the HW champion and coming off of back to back wins against Sylvia and Gonzaga.”

    Wow, that must be the first time you’re using a win against Sylvia to credit someone! And a 5 round decision at that! How convenient!

    Even though it was quite an accomplishment, the fact that Couture was the HW champ says a lot about the sad state of the UFC HW division at the time.