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Bold faced lies and the people who tell them

Dana white has been on a rage lately about the interwebs. After UFC 76, Dana White choked with rage and snarled his hatred of the unjust websites that always downplayed his organization’s fighters. Now he’s at it again, blaming internet forums as a place where snake oil and lies are sold regarding the kind of money fighters really make. In this case, he’s specifically saying that Randy Couture thought people were making more money than him based on what he read on the internet:

“This business is like a beauty salon,” he said. “These guys are all the toughest guys in the world, but they’re like (expletives) in a beauty salon. They pass along rumors and gossip, which has no basis in reality and they believe all the (rumors) they hear. The Internet is very powerful and one of the best promotional tools we have, but it’s a crazy place.

Bitches in a beauty salon. I gotta remember that one.

Now I can’t really imagine Randy Couture in front of a computer. He seems like the kind of guy who can handle guns, motors, and heavy machinery at ease. But put him in front of a computer and I bet he tippy taps the keyboard with two fingers and doesn’t understand the concept of a double-click. So to say that he’s getting his information off the internet could be a bit suspect. Of course, I don’t doubt that many of the fighters he talks to on a daily basis DO get their numbers off the internet, so Dana is kinda sorta correct in that way.

But when Dana’s talking about internet and bogus financial information, is he talking about the financial information posted by sites directly from Athletic commission info? Because while I’m sure ‘PuZZyBanGa’ on the Underground may not be a trusted source, I’m pretty sure the Athletic Commissions are reliable. Or is he talking about his personal friend Dave Meltzer, who often comments on the hidden bonuses paid out to fighters?

The truth of the matter isn’t that there’s too much info out on the webs, it’s that there’s too little. Randy Couture said that he felt he was being lied to when the UFC said he was the 2nd best paid guy in the UFC. Obviously if you look at the comparisons between him and other fighters on Athletic Commission scales, you’d be ready to agree with Randy. According to the Commish, Randy made 250k straight win or lose, while Mirko Crocop made 350k straight win or lose. I’m sure Wanderlei Silva told Randy what his deal was worth and I don’t doubt it’s probably around the 250k scale if not more.

But one important bit of information that’s missing are the super secret bonus bucks that everyone’s always whispering about. Randy’s contract contains PPV bonuses that push his pay on a fight up past the million dollar mark. Word is that Randy was one of the last fighters to get this kind of general PPV deal and now fighters are just offered more on the downside instead. While it’s unknown as to if the PRIDE fighters have clauses in there for championship fights and defenses, I can tell you now that Crocop and Shogun haven’t gotten a percent or even a cent from PPV revenue so far.

I don’t doubt that Wanderlei Silva might have a specific deal to fight Chuck Liddell that pays him more than Randy Couture made to beat Gabriel Gonzaga. But it’s important to consider the fact that Silva doesn’t have the same kind of guarantees built into his contract as Randy. If Silva loses, he doesn’t keep collecting sweet paychecks. In fact, past the Liddell fight the only way I can see him making significantly more than what’s revealed on the commission books is if he’s fighting for the belt.

So it’s easy to say the UFC told ‘bold faced lies’ to Randy Couture. But contracts are not simple things. While there will be mega-fights where guys are making more on one occasion, I bet if you put Randy’s contract up against everyone but Chuck’s, he’d come out on top financially in the long run.

  • PuZZyBanGa says:

    I resent the imputation that I am not a credible source on matters regarding MMA and combat sports in general. You, sir, shall be hearing from my lawyer.

  • Terrence Halladay says:

    so you assume that randy didnt just talk to those fighters like he said he did

  • kermit_01 says:

    I don’t think he made that assumption. He explained that while Crocop got 350k win or lose and Randy got 250k win or lose what crocop didn’t get was PPV money. The base pay of a fighter is easy to find, knowing what they actually bring home at the end of the year with bonuses, sponsorship deals, ect… I’d bet Randy was still very close to the top, if not 1 or 2 he’s more than likely in the top 5.

    I still say I’m disappointed in Randy. I could understand this if he was trapped in fight 2 of a 10 fight contract where he was making peanuts, but he signed the contract just a few months back and it was enough money for him then. Now its not.

    If I go to the car dealership and I buy a new car for $30,000 and I hear my buddy got the same car for $25,000 I cuss a bit and make sure next time I work harder to get to a better price. I don’t drive my car into a wall.

  • I assume that he didn’t put the contracts down next to eachother.

    Here’s how I imagine it happening:
    Wanderlei: Look, I’m getting 250k + PPV bonus for my fight with Chuck
    Randy: WTF, that’s how much I get paid for all my fights. I’m getting fucked
    Wanderlei: Of course, I only get PPV money off the Chuck fight. All other fights I just get base.
    Randy: Sorry, I wasn’t listening to that last part, I was too busy quitting the UFC and calling them assholes.

  • Mr. Theplague says:

    If he really is getting one meeelion dolars I have to assume his new wife is even more of a yoko than the last one. He’s not even losing and she made him quit!

  • ted dibiase says:

    fedor: 2mil per
    randy: 250k + %

    cmon fightlinker. get with it.

    what would you rather do? be a monkey for dana white for low peanuts, getting your ass whooped everyday or would you rather get a cool million for saying a few lines for the motion pictures?

    longrun? motion pictures are a more realistic goal to pursue

    whats easier? 100 straight pushups or saying this 10 times
    “slippery sailors sipping semen by the seashore”

  • ted dibiase says:

    how can you blame his wife?

    blame her cuz she wants her life partner to quit getting his arms broken, his face uglied up and move onto going to far away lands doing cakework for millions?

    or blaming her cuz she knows his ufc career doesnt have 1-3 yrs left in it and she wants him to make better money doing easier work that will last longer?

    youre a fucking retard

  • Matt says:

    BLAF rolled out the red carpet for the guy Randy wanted to fight. Then Randy gets pissed at the ammount it was going to take (and it wasnt enough).

  • ajadoniz says:

    fightlinker, audio link?

  • Mr. Theplague says:

    ted, chill out. Take you pills and then look at the website you’re on. We are fans of MMA, this does not involve incouraging fighters to persue more lucartive ted endeavours , it involves wanting to see two guys kick the shit out of each other. Go to imdb if you want to gush about Randy’s burgeoning movie career.

  • Mr. Theplague says:

    goddamn it. thats “lucrative”.

  • kermit_01 says:

    I’m all for Randy acting, sure, I remember when him, Frank Trigg and Rampage were on King of Queens in a Bar Fight scene, I think he got the Emmy for most believable thug in a bar fight scene.

    Really I am for Randy making money, acting, whatever makes him happy, but kicking Dana in the Balls, the guy that helped market Randy to the New Generation of UFC fans by making him a coach on the first TUF, and helped create the fame he now enjoys— though all that he quits by fax.. That was a bitch move in my book. He might as well have texted him..

  • groda says:

    Are there any other secret bonuses apart from ppv percentages? I heard rumors about signing bonuses and Hughes getting some kind of check from the brothers (but maybe that was ppv %).

  • There’s tons of random payouts … Rampage got given double his original wage just out of the blue after he knocked out Liddell.

    Ted: I know for a fact that Randy got more than 1 million in PPV %. He was pissed that Fedor was offered 2 mil straight. Yeah, it’s reason to get angry, but as he said, he was gonna ask for more than fedor for that fight, and the UFC probably would have given it to him

  • marshal says:

    I admire Dana for speaking the first thing that comes to mind without consulting a lawyer. Sooner or later he will learn that doesn’t cut it in a high profile business. Well? Donald Trump comes to mind. No publicity is bad publicity?

  • ted dibiase says:

    get on the Dana hating bandwagon.

    hating on Randy for doing bigger n better things is retarded.
    theres no one in the ufc for him to fight.

    in a month Dana will have an hour long show about him and Randy’s boxing match and Randy wont show and Dana will claim hes bigger and badder.

  • ted dibiase says:

    Randy is a wonderful actor-

    hes been acting like a contender for Fedor… hes got you fools believing his act.

  • marshal says:

    Speaking of contenders, I doubt Fedor will fight another.

  • hbdale309 says:

    Dude you forgot about Tito. He made like 3 mill for his fight vs Chuck.

  • kermit_01 says:

    I’m not hating on Randy for moving on to bigger things. I’m hating on him for his reasons.

    This movie part has been in the works for a long time. His problem is money and like I said before it was enough money 6 months ago when he signed the contract now all of a sudden its not. Boo fuckin hoo— I hear Jim Carey gets 12 million a picture, so is Randy gonna get pissed when he sees his paycheck isn’t 12 million?

  • ted dibiase says:

    randy isnt holding an emmy or an oscar (the ufc belt)

    but if he did, you know he’d be asking for that kinda money.

    6 months ago? gee whats happened in mma in the last 6 months? EVERYTHING!!!!!!

  • ted dibiase says:

    Beauty Salon and Randy?

    cmon, Dana White is so stupid

  • Swedish guy says:

    Say what you will about Randy Couture, but man he is macho looking. I’d give one or both of my legs as well as my fiancé to look like him when I’m in my forties. Handsome lad, he is.

  • marco9690 says:

    regardless of whose at fault, I am sick of dana’s efforts to be the face of the UFC, and MMA while he’s at it…show me any other high profile promoter who has not ultimately (pardon the pun) brought shame to his organization…can’t we please keep it simple and let the fighters be the face of the UFC and not dana… And Yo swedish guy, I’ve heard of man-crushes but you da big winnah, sounds like you’d step on your fiance’s face to catch Randy’s tossed sweaty jock…